Science is Revealed Truth

So says any ardent follower of any religion.But there are many "doctrines and principles" in common, not because they are original with the purported source, but because they derive from sensible "doctrines and principles" for social species and thus are most likely evolved memes for social behavior. the "doctrines and principles" are the same but the names have been changed ... Curiously you only seem to have "tested" one version. So I can forget about you and your ranting. Good.EnjoyEdited by RAZD, : .

Hi Mike Good thing I didn't say that. Good thing I didn't say that either.Rather science is A way to reveal truths (or close approximations to them).We know gravity is real, how to describe it not so much. Newton had a good approximation (it got us to the Moon and Mars etc) but it didn't explain Mercury's orbit. Relativity does, so it's a better approximation.Likewise we know that evolution is real, that every test made to date has confirmed that evolution is the best -- truest -- explanation we have to describe how it works.The validity of these theories are revealed by the scientific process. It's the best we have, and we know that -- within specified limitations (such as "must be testable") -- it works.Enjoy

Yes, try and prove true science.All truths are incorporated in true science... All as in all.Just because evolutionists and atheists can not find a truth, doesnt negate a truth or the TRUTH.Just because some have partial truths doesn;t negate the fact that all truths are interconnected, and that one truth leads to another truths or multiple truths.Isolated truths are hardly true, unless ina disjointed world as with atheists and evolutionists. For evolutionists say their theory only applies to living species that supposedly evolve via so called beneficial mutations. Thats isolationism, and they say their theory has no application in any other field of science.AGREED their theory of luck and chance is just a theory and not a law, because a law would have implications and effects in all fields of science and be an integral part of all SCIENCE.Evolution and atheism can not be tested, we can;t wait a billion years to find out if humankind advances and mutates to a new more viable different species. Evolution is not science, it can not be tested.Christianity can, try it and test it as mature adults or as mature children, for out of the mouth of babes and sucklings THOU has ordained truths.Anyone can try and test out spirituality and science.

And we have. Spirituality loses every time. No response on any instrument. Spirituality only exists in the minds of believers.Science adds to our knowledge, but spirituality is just imagination, nothing more.

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Argument from ignorance
Argument from ignorance (from Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance represents "a lack of contrary evidence"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa).

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Small quibble.There was a study done of people in "religious experience" states: catholic nuns and buddhist monks, with cat scans. They both showed activity in the same areas of the brain.There are apparently several ways to experience such states, and virtually every religion mentions some form or another, ascetics for example.We also have the God Helmet:

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Persinger reports that many subjects have reported "mystical experiences and altered states"[4] while wearing the God Helmet. ...

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So this could be like applying electricity to a frog nerve\muscle and making the leg move.What I conclude is that people can have a "religious experience" (bolstered by my own experience), but whether it is real or memorex has yet to be determined. Regardless it is not god or religion specific (or revealed knowledge for that matter). If nothing else this can explain the large number of religions around the world and the various sects within each.Enjoy

Was that the only time there is activity in that area of the brain?It appears that I was mistaken about a response on an instrument (showing some sort of activity in the brain).I did say:

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Spirituality only exists in the minds of believers.

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Seeing evidence of brain activity in specific parts of the brain lends no support, as you say, to the reality of anything supernatural.

How true, evolution only exists in the minds of its believers, despite their being a lack of evidence, missing links, no math, no social conscience, no ancestors......This their religion, and usually like all other religions because it has never been proven..as the religious seldom put their theory to the test, and prove their doctrine by doing what the science or religion or TEACHER (Jesus) said to do.Evolution can not be tested as mentioned, it is a mere theory that is not a law... even though the double speakers say its a theory that deals with the laws..even though on other threads it is absolutely proven that laws do not evolve and evolution never evolved any laws.So you have to be a real scientist to see into the invisable world, you have to go beyond mere human eyesight vision boundaries and into the 69/70th world of science and spirituality. Gutless scientists are afraid, real scientists venture forth...... without crying liar liar liar. Real scientists search for truths rather than believing on convenient theories that match their mindset or belief system.

Theories explain laws.And they are not "mere theories." A theory is the highest level of explanation in science in spite of all the mis-information being spread by creationists.

Under your definition then the theory of Creation which is explaining via design and facts and evidences is true science and explains all laws, should therefore be promoted to a LAW.(SEE did Evolution evolve laws THREADI agree !!!WE have agreement. Creationism is not a theory but a LAW. It explains the creation of laws and the theory of the species, and interactions between them and the laws of the Universe.But evolutionists believe what they want to believe despite the facts..... and they cry foul if someone doesn;t believe like they believe... and they complain and complain, and complain.Science sees the invisable and has explanations for the invisable, beyond I am blind and can not see beyond my human eyesight.Oh test and see that the Lord is good, or Taste and see that the Lord is good.

I am always amused when creationists treat science as a belief system. Perhaps it is all they know.The truth is that I accept the validity of the theory of evolution as the demonstrated best explanation for the diversity of life as we see it -- in the fossil record, in the historical record, in the genetic record, and in the world around us. It is tested by every fossil and every genetic genome comparison. It is tested daily in the world around us as life continues to evolve and diversify. Just as gravity is a mere theory and not a law. All this shows is systematic profound ignorance of how science works.Theories form an explanatory framework for understanding how the universe works, we test them and tweak them so that they explain as much of the known objective empirical evidence as possible, refining them as new information is incorporated.Theories are falsifiable, and when falsified they lead to new theories that do an even better job of explaining the evidence.It is easy to put "mere" in front of any word -- usually to disparage it and make it less important in your mind. The only one you fool is yourself. Something only a mere creationist would say, because it shows absolute ignorance of the differences between laws and theories (and hypothesis and mere guessing (which some mere creationists think theories are)) Just like the use of the word "mere" to flavor the implications of mere creationist statements, the insertion of "real" before scientist is there to imply that not all scientists are real. This IS true of mere creationist pseudoscientists that do pretend science to fool gullible followers, but in reality there are only scientists and non-scientists, and the thing that distinguishes one from the other is that scientists do science.Science cannot test the metaphysical because it is by definition not physical, not subject to physical measurements and observations. The minute such measurements or observations can be made it ceases to be metaphysical and becomes part of the physical world and not mere imagination.imho Davidjay is merely another creationist fraud looking for gullible wanna-believers, full of self-centered blather intended to impress but which merely amuses. A voice of one hollering at the world to shape up. Amusing.EnjoyEdited by RAZD, : .Edited by RAZD, : ..Edited by RAZD, : ...Edited by RAZD, : subtitle

What distinguishes science from belief is the falsification testing.Science looks for falsification tests, because only then do you know the weakness of the theory and what needs to be done to strengthen it or to make a new one.Belief avoids falsification like the plague. Deluded people holding onto beliefs in the face of contrary evidence often "double down" and create conspiracy theories or other explanations they fool themselves with for how the evidence does not contradict their beliefs.The age of the earth
The age of life on earth
Evolution
Climate ChangeThe rational person discards any beliefs that are falsified by objective empirical evidence.The fool discards evidence to hold onto belief.Enjoy

Theories do not grow up to become laws. Theories explain laws. Theories are the highest form of explanation in science. Creationism is an hypothesis which has not been supported by evidence--a failed hypothesis.Definition of Law: a statement of fact, deduced from observation, to the effect that a particular natural or scientific phenomenon always occurs if certain conditions are present.For example, Newton's law of universal gravitation states that a particle attracts every other particle in the universe using a force that is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between their centers.The theory of gravity (actually the theory of general relativity) explains Newton's law.Contrast this to creationism, which is clearly a religious belief with no "natural or scientific" evidence to support it.But I understand why creationists are always trying to redefine our definitions--they can't get into the science game with evidence so are either trying to undermine science or to change it sufficiently to allow all sorts of strange things to be included:So, you can believe in magic, superstition, wishful thinking, old wives tales, folklore, what the stars foretell and what the neighbors think, omens, public opinion, astromancy, spells, Ouija boards, anecdotes, Da Vinci codes, tarot cards, sorcery, seances, sore bunions, black cats, divine revelation, table tipping, witch doctors, crystals and crystal balls, numerology, divination, faith healing, miracles, palm reading, the unguessable verdict of history, magic tea leaves, new age mumbo-jumbo, hoodoo, voodoo and all that other weird stuff.Me, I'll follow the scientific method.

Worse, it has no falsification test, and thus cannot even be a scientific hypothesis. It's mere wishful thinking. Until something better comes along (not holding my breath).Enjoy

No spirituality is invisable and true science knows that forces and the unseen world or micro-cosm exists even when us , humans can not see it, and are blind to it. True scientists and physicists study the unseen world or spiritual world.... and look for observed facts and determine laws and relationships....etc etc..Spiritual just means beyond normal limited bounded human eye sight... real scientists study more than just with their eyes... do note that centuries ago they started using microscopes, and more advanced instruments than mere eye glasses.So forget false scientists who try to negate anything they cant see as they have hodden motivation into staying blind and being blind.Truth always defeats liesOpenness and honesty always prevails over fear and closedmindedness.. always.