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anglagard Member (Idle past 857 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined:
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marc9000 writes: That echo chamber is the Constitution. It's not a socialist document, it's just not. I just read the Constitution for the umpteenth time before this post (it's not that hard since it can fit on a single large page) and I would argue it is not particularly a capitalist document either (except for condoning slavery). Edited by anglagard, : Extraneous word Edited by anglagard, : misplaced 'Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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anglagard Member (Idle past 857 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined:
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Here is what I think of neo-Nazi sympathizer and early onset Alzheimer classic case Trump and Neo-liberal (Republican platform enabler) Clinton:
Today I joined the Democratic Socialists of America. And to think I was the Socorro County Chair for the Libertarian Party 28 years ago. Live and learn. Feel the Bern.Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon |
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anglagard Member (Idle past 857 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined:
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riVerRat writes: I agree with about 70% of what Sanders says. But that other 30% is way off, enough to destroy America. I for one would be very interested in more elaboration on exactly what Sanders said that would "destroy America" in your opinion.Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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anglagard Member (Idle past 857 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined:
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LamarkNewAge writes: Stein might have cost Hillary Michigan, but not the national race. And there wouldn't have been a real difference in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and especially Ohio (it always amazed me how people could claim Nader cost Gore Ohio when Bush won 50% to 46% in that state, and Nader only got about 3%, so it will amaze me that Trumps 51% to 42% Ohio 2016 win was "because of that evil Jill Stein. Instead of whining and blaming any electoral losses on third parties, perhaps the Democrats just might consider upping their game. Instead of saying what any opponents are about, the electorate needs to hear what you are about. Additionally, it is best proven by deeds, not empty platitudes. Also, I think these computer based voting machines need far deeper scrutiny. I think a paper trail should be mandatory as Republicans only give a shit about winning, not democracy or ethics. They are certainly not above rigging elections.Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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anglagard Member (Idle past 857 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined:
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Rrhain writes: Exactly what part of "she won" are you having trouble with? Try the simple fact that she did not win to start with. Otherwise she would be the President, not Trump. Your post stating Hilary Clinton won the election is false. Apparently you are unfamiliar with who controls Presidential elections. This part of the Constitution is still in force but is amended so I will post both in their entirety:
quote: The relevant amedment:
quote: Just in case, like Faith, you refuse to read or perhaps don't understand what you read, it means the following: The President is chose by a majority vote of the Electoral College, not the majority votes by individuals. That is the law, that is the reality. Why are you the only person here, despite national origin, unable to understand this? There is also a procedure for amending the Constitution to eliminate the Electoral College, something that is in that very document I quoted and even provided an example of, something Democrats may want to consider as part of "upping their game" but I will save that for later should I deem it necessary.
They fielded one of the most qualified candidates in history who was in step with the majority of the country on most every policy and that candidate proceeded to actually win the election with the second largest number of votes in history. She did not win the election, as I said that is a false statement due to the laws quoted above. While Clinton may have been the most qualified, that does not necessarily mean she won. Here are the facts concerning the 2016 election: Trump Clinton Electoral vote 304 227States carried 30 + ME-02 20 + DC Popular vote 62,984,825 65,853,516 Percentage 46.1% 48.2% 270 Electoral votes needed to win.
Exactly what "game" is there that needed to be "upped"? And exactly how would that be achieved? Simple answer, the game and what needs to be upped is "winning elections." I already offered two ways on how that can be achieved in my previous post, namely run for something instead of running against someone and demanding a paper trail on computer voting machines. Here are some more: 1) Local politics must not be ignored. During the Obama Presidency:
quote: source The DNC needs to either do a better job of organizing and funding at the state and local level. If they only want to disenfranchise Sander;s voters, then replace them. 2) Get involved. As a member of the DSA, i am involved in volunteer actions with other groups just to make our brand more visible rather than sitting on my ass whining about third parties. 3) Fight for the majority of the voters, not just rich donors. Don't do stupid crap like speak to Goldman-Sacks for big money without releasing the transcripts because it makes you look like you have something to hide. 4) Take positions the majority supports, make sure they know it, and hammer that nail relentlessly. Clinton lost because she ran against Trump and not for her progressive policies. 5) Tell the truth, be open, no taint of scandal. I think this principle should be self-evident. That's just a start, more to come. This post is already too long.
By this logic, the Supreme Court shouldn't be looking at gerrymandering in Wisconsin because the Democrats should "up their game," right? I mean when Republicans win less than 50% of the vote but take more than 60% of the seats in the legislature, that simply means *Democrats* need to change their tactics, right? Did they win or not? If not, then they may want to consider "upping their game" instead of whining or pointing fingers at their natural allies. Also I'll take help where I can get it, be it the Supreme Court, the LBGTQ community, or the undocumented. Also, I did what many did in the last election, I held my nose and voted for Clinton, despite misgivings, due to the fact Trump is a mentally challenged corrupt narcissist who is not qualified to be without supervision, be it due to criminal or mental health issues. Edited by anglagard, : missing lettersRead not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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anglagard Member (Idle past 857 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Percy writes: That was one of the longer "not getting the point" posts I've ever read. It's a safe bet Rrhain understands everything you decided to lecture him on, and it's a safe bet you know he understands it, so what a waste of time. Rrhain treated me as an idiot and stated a falsehood in doing so,doing so knowingly just makes it worse. Was pointing out that obvious falsehood wrong? In who's book? Concerning your relevant points, I don't think upping their game is bad advice for the Democrats, but I think it misses the most important point. The Democrats used to be the party of the common man, but now they're the party of the elite. That they own certain important issues is helpful, like clean environment and climate and LGBT and diversity and so forth, but these are elite issues, not "your average guy" issues. For people worried about employment and American culture and living standards the Democrats are the exact wrong party, and that has to change. To me that is part of what I meant by upping one's game. I agree and have done so with my posting history, but in my words, not yours. Also, some worries about "American culture" such as blatant racism is negative and it is incumbent on anyone who cares to change those parts. As to the rest, well, that is what I'm doing instead of desperately trying to score brownie points against me by impugning my person. By the way I actually admire Rrhain and I don't know what I did to make him feel I am somehow an enemy or a dolt. But that seems to be what he wants to do and I obviously disagree.Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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anglagard Member (Idle past 857 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined:
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Percy writes: No Nobel for you, Donald Trump! In fact, what you should get is the liar of the century award. I know it's early in the 21st century, but who could imagine anyone topping your performance. Instead of a Nobel this is what I think Donald Trump deserves: Thousands of felony convictions to be served consecutively for fraud related to Trump University, and any other business deals where it is easily ascertained he defrauded investors and violated contracts withholding payment for services rendered. I figure the cumulative sentence for his felonies should warrant at least a 5 digit term or even something over 100,000 years. And I know a place which would be perfect for him to serve the remainder of his life - namely the supermax prison in Florence, Colorado. If there are no vacancies just send Ted Kazinski to Atascadero Mental Hospital where he can teach the schizophrenics math and be somewhat useful to society while Trump can rot since he is about as welcome to all life on this planet as the blubonic plague (except of course for the bacterium that causes the plague in the first place). His family and cronies need to be investigated and if warranted, be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Well, they haven't taken away my dreams yet.Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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anglagard Member (Idle past 857 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Percy writes: Shaming is another tool, and we saw it in action on Tuesday when Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen was loudly jeered while dining at a Mexican restaurant, prompting her to leave. And an insult was hurled at Stephen Miller while he was dining at a different Mexican restaurant last Sunday. A congressional intern yelled "Fuck You" at Trump as he walked through the Capitol Rotunda. The first action was done by the Metro DC DSA, the second, by members of CREDO Action, the third . To my knowledge the only news outlet to give proper credit to the organizations responsible was, of all outlets, The Washington Times. Yeah, that's right - the Moonie paper. I sent them a thank you note.
And so while we still live in a free country I think we should employ shunning and shaming as two arrows in our quiver of options for opposing Trump. That's how the Lakota raised their kids without the slightest hint of physical violence. Excellent advice. Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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anglagard Member (Idle past 857 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined:
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quote: Know the guy is busy but still hope he reads it in the spirit in which it is intended. So, does anyone around here know some other email addresses for world leaders? Just off the top of my head I would also like to apologize to Angela Merkel and Theresa May. Oh, and I want to find the biggest pile of cow shit ever for a pic to send to Putin. Edited by anglagard, : missing first two sentences
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anglagard Member (Idle past 857 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Campaign slogans:
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: One of Us Hillary Clinton: I'm with Her (Originally was going to be "It's Her Turn.") See the difference? P.S. - great fun to watch conservatives go apoplectic the last few days.Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon |
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anglagard Member (Idle past 857 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Coragyps writes: What the hell have we become? 40% Putin's whores, 50% Severe Anxiety, 5% Opioid addicts, 5% French Revolution version 2.0. Vive la France! P.S. - I hope the CIA is monitoring that unsupervised meeting on Monday twixt textbook early onset dementia and his handler in Helsinki in case he provides the nuclear codes in exchange for a Trump tower.Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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anglagard Member (Idle past 857 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined:
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Faith writes: Certainly. Nations must be ruled by Law. Jesus came to fulfill the Law on behalf of those who believe in Him. He teaches forgiveness of sinners, He addresses individuals for salvation. Nations have to be governed by Law, to keep the peace by restraining crime, and Law is found in the Old Testament. You have broken the conditions of my non-interference with all this blatant hypocrisy.. So what do Evangelicals stand for? Apparently they support Trump and therefore support the Prince of Lies.They support theft through the worship of billionaires despite what Jesus said about camels and needles. Prosperity Gospel is a pyramid scheme. They support adultery, forcible rape, and child molestation as evidenced by support for Trump and his buddies, 22 accusations and counting. They usurp the prerogative of God by declaring themselves saved. They ignore the beatitudes, the parable of the sheep and goats, and pretty much everything Jesus ever said that does not include declaring themselves saved. They support the murder of immigrant children as a precursor of Operation Reinhardt. You worship a false god. Don't worry, the Democratic Socialists are here to feed the poor, heal the sick, and comfort the afflicted, as is our sacred duty. Bye, bye evangelicals. Millennials can spot a phony. Edited by anglagard, : last several sentences Edited by anglagard, : Mispelled r hypocrisyRead not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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anglagard Member (Idle past 857 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined:
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It is not just Donald Trump, it is also his Juche sycophants. Since day one they have declared war against both science and nature. By doing so, they have compromised our safety and destroyed the world economy.
Looks like science and nature always wins in the end, the only questions remaining are when will the war stop and how many had to sacrifice their lives. Edited by anglagard, : Preferred original sentence due to excessive alliteration.Death is only the end if you assume the story is about you. - Night Vale podcast |
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anglagard Member (Idle past 857 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
quote: source Is anyone running to the left of Bismarck? Oh well, at least he killed Coronavirus on time. Edited by anglagard, : clumsy sentenceDeath is only the end if you assume the story is about you. - Night Vale podcast |
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anglagard Member (Idle past 857 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined:
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I for one, do NOT miss Faith, and your link serves as a reminder as to why.
The problem with knowing everything is learning nothing. If you don't know what you're doing, find someone who does, and do what they do. Republican = death
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