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Author Topic:   How do you define the word Evolution?
Dredge
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Message 588 of 936 (807418)
05-03-2017 1:58 AM
Reply to: Message 546 by RAZD
05-01-2017 7:24 AM


Re: Reality strikes again
The nested hierarchy of descent from common ancestors within the spacial-temporal matrix? Ah yes, I'd remember doing an assignment on this in Grade 5 in primary school. You seem to have overlooked that this is just a theory, so it's a bit much to expect special creation to explain some dubious evolutionary theory.

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Dredge
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Message 589 of 936 (807419)
05-03-2017 2:03 AM
Reply to: Message 572 by bluegenes
05-02-2017 6:50 AM


Re: If Not, What?
Thank you for that very interesting information. But somewhere in the mix a human being contains more genetic information than an amoeba.

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Dredge
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Message 590 of 936 (807421)
05-03-2017 2:08 AM
Reply to: Message 580 by Taq
05-02-2017 10:50 AM


Re: If Not, What?
How did you arrive at those numbers?
Chicko gave them to me.

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Dredge
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Message 591 of 936 (807422)
05-03-2017 2:12 AM
Reply to: Message 584 by Dr Adequate
05-03-2017 12:40 AM


Re: If Not, What?
Thank you, but I would like to see Taq's definition.

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Dredge
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Message 604 of 936 (807561)
05-04-2017 3:12 AM
Reply to: Message 578 by Dr Adequate
05-02-2017 10:01 AM


Re: Where are we now?
And you are pathetically, ludicrously wrong.
Actually, you're right; so I'll go back to something like my original definition of evolution. In biology, the word, "evolution" can't be separated from Darwin's theory, which obviously has common descent at it's core. The gratuitous, ubiquitous and misleading use of the word, "evolution" in the biological sciences is always an allusion to Darwinism, which I reject as false, useless and irrelevant.
So to hell with ToE, just give me biology and I'll be happy. As Danno used to say, "Just the facts, ma'am." (Danno would have made an excellent biologist ... but a lousy evolutionist.)
When I become King of Australia I'll ban the teaching of ToE at all levels of education, thereby draining the swamp that the once-noble science of biology has become, liberating and cleansing it from the mendacious theology of atheist cultism.
Evolution = Biology + the atheist cult of Darwinism

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Dredge
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Message 605 of 936 (807562)
05-04-2017 3:15 AM
Reply to: Message 573 by Pressie
05-02-2017 8:07 AM


Re: If Not, What?
Pressie writes:
unlike you, those protozoans don't even pretend to have brains!
Oh, that's not a very nice thing to say. And besides, would you call someone who took twelve years to complete seven years of primary school brainless?
Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.

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Dredge
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Message 610 of 936 (807578)
05-04-2017 6:14 AM
Reply to: Message 594 by Pressie
05-03-2017 6:20 AM


Re: If Not, What?
Pressie writes:
Without a unit of measurement you can't make such a claim
I can make such a claim and I just did. DNA is an instruction manual for building a machine. A human machine is much more complex than an amoeba machine, therefore much more information is needed in the human's instruction manual. Compare the contents of an instruction manual to build an mouse trap compared to the contents of instruction manual to build a space shuttle.
Simple, common sense logic, my friend.
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Dredge
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Message 612 of 936 (807580)
05-04-2017 6:27 AM
Reply to: Message 601 by Taq
05-03-2017 11:17 AM


Re: If Not, What?
Taq writes:
Assuming you are referring to Jack Chick
No, no, no; not Jack Chick! "Chicko" is the dog that lives next door to me; an American bull terrier. He talks to me and gives me all sorts of advice and infallible information.

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Dredge
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Message 613 of 936 (807581)
05-04-2017 6:29 AM
Reply to: Message 602 by Taq
05-03-2017 11:19 AM


Re: If Not, What?
I not sure. Perhaps 200 infos. But I'll show it to Chicko and let him work it out exactly.

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Dredge
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Message 615 of 936 (807583)
05-04-2017 6:57 AM
Reply to: Message 614 by Pressie
05-04-2017 6:37 AM


Re: If Not, What?
Pressie writes:
What's your point?
All living organisms are biological machines. DNA provides the instructions for building biological machines.

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Dredge
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Message 628 of 936 (807712)
05-05-2017 5:57 AM
Reply to: Message 598 by Taq
05-03-2017 11:09 AM


Re: Reality strikes again
Taq writes:
The theory of evolution explains why we see this pattern of shared derived features.
Yes of course it does ... and there is no other possible explanation, right?
Stephen Jay Gould said that the fossil record is characterised by "sudden appearance" and "stasis", which he attributed to Punctuated Equilibrium. However, sudden appearance and stasis can also be attributed to creation.

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Dredge
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Message 629 of 936 (807713)
05-05-2017 6:00 AM
Reply to: Message 596 by RAZD
05-03-2017 8:13 AM


Re: Reality strikes again
Yes, yes, thank you for this. I had forgotten some of it, as it's been a long time since we covered this stuff in Grade 5 of primary school. There are factual points (microevolution) mixed in with some evo-speculation by atheist paleontologists (who, of course, can always be relied on to tell the truth). More Darwinism masquerading as science ... y-a-w-n.

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Dredge
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Message 630 of 936 (807714)
05-05-2017 6:03 AM
Reply to: Message 607 by CRR
05-04-2017 5:42 AM


Re: Genome sizes
CRR writes:
the lack of correlation between phenotype complexity and genone size is known as the C-Value Paradox
Thanks, cobber. Well, no wonder it called a "Paradox" because it pretty bloody weird and counter-intuitive! My fragile, egg-shell mind is still reeling form this revelation! Chicko advised to take two Bex and have a good lay down, but I think the C-Value Paradox has caused me irreparable brain damage. Biology is freakin' dangerous! I'm wearing a helmet from now on.

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Dredge
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Message 631 of 936 (807716)
05-05-2017 6:06 AM
Reply to: Message 603 by Taq
05-03-2017 11:22 AM


Re: Part of the problem?
Taq writes:
The question is why would you reject the conclusion of a universal common ancestor when we have mountains of evidence to support the conclusion
Mountains of pseudo-evidence, more like it. I smell a rat; a very big rat.
Why the obsession with definitions?

Er, what you refer to as an "obsession with definitions" might have something to with the fact that the topic we are discussing is entitled, "How do you define the word Evolution?"

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Dredge
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Message 632 of 936 (807718)
05-05-2017 6:11 AM
Reply to: Message 617 by RAZD
05-04-2017 9:08 AM


Re: If Not, What?
I can't answer your card question as I don't play cards - not intelligent enough. Once I tried to play "Snap!" and it gave me brain damage.

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