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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
vimesey writes: societies come to a consensus as to what is and isn't moral Your answer offers nothing in the way of a solution as to how one can prove a certain moral is correct. Consensus proves nothing in this respect. All concensus does is provide the power for a certain code of morality to become enshrined in law which allows that code of morality to then be imposed on others. If a society on one side of the planet outlaws same-sex marriage and a society on the other side of the planet allows same-sex marriage, how do you determine which law is correct? Billions of Hindus believe it is immoral to kill a cow and eat it, but billions of Westerners say it isn't immoral. How do you determine which opinion is correct? In ancient Roman society, it was not considered immoral to feed Christians to lions. In today's Roman society, it is considered immoral to feed Christians to lions. How do you prove which society was/is morally correct? If one society approves of euthanasia and another society doesn't, how do you prove which society is morally correct? In other words, a society's code of morality is no easier to prove correctthan an individual's code of morality.
I have a moral code of which I am proud.
Big deal. Adolf Hitler probably said the same thing.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
I can demonstrate my point by using The Parable of the Empty Box:
An empty box is an empty box. Only a deluded/dysfunctional mind sees something in an empty box. This is a very deep concept, so don't get discouraged if you don't initially understand it. But persevere and keep thinking about it - finally the penny will drop. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
OMG, you keep on with words salads. Even after you've been pointed out the untruths you told. You deny the untruths you told. Even after those untruths told by you were demonstrated to be untruths. I think that you are completely crazy.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
This one is funny.
Dredge writes: Your answer offers nothing in the way of a solution as to how one can prove a certain moral is correct. Sure can. Don't discriminate against me because of my age... with my experience I train less experienced younger people to be experienced. For me that's correct morals because after me other people will take the job later... Hopefully they would overtake me in my knowledge and experience later. That's how humans advance. That's my morals. I'm not too sure whether it's correct, because morals are subjective, but I hope that's how it works. I'll try to relay my knowledge to the younger generation. Any problems with that? Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Dr Adequate writes:
A citation please. At any rate he was a theist and a creationist. ------------------------------- Hitler was a baptised Catholic, but so what? What has Nazism got to do with Catholicism? In his writings (and probaby his speeches) he made references to "God Almighty", for example, but one has to consider that he was a con-man trying to a appeal to a Christian society. Jim Jones initiallly used the cloak of Christianity in his "ministry", but it turns out he was a Communist! Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
I know what you're getting at, but you can't separate reality into separate compartments. Darwinism is an idea that has undeniable ontological implications. This is obvioius from the contrasting reactions of clerics and athesits to Darwin's book after it was published.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Dredge writes: Jim Jones initiallly used the cloak of Christianity in his "ministry", but it turns out he was a Communist! While Jim Jones may or may not have been a Communist just like Jesus, he definitely was a Christian while Jesus unlike Jim Jones was never a Christian.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Provine was not a scientist, but an historian specializing in science, evolutionary biology and population genetics, and was respected as a philosopher. He held the position of Professor at Cornell University. I quoted him as an "evolutionary scientist" - my mistake. What your point?
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
A true theist wouldn't be put off by the errors and failings of religious people. Besides, theism and religion can be mutually exclusive.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Wiki' describes Jones as "an American comminist and cult leader". If he was also a Christian, he was a very poor example of one.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
So, you lied about Provine. Check your sources before placing things like that here.
You will be caught out when telling untruths. Remember that creationists always tell untruths. Every time. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yup. Lots of poor examples of Christians out there. But then no movement has been more effective at Genocide than Christianity although the US is certainly pretty close.
Christians are good and bad just like any other segment of the population.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
I have a moral code of which I am proud. Big deal. Adolf Hitler probably said the same thing. How was the response to Hitler different between evolutionists and creationists? Today, what is the difference between evolutionists and creationists when they look back on Hitler?Freedom is merely privilege extended, unless enjoyed by one and all. — Billy Bragg
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2329 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
How was the response to Hitler different between evolutionists and creationists? Today, what is the difference between evolutionists and creationists when they look back on Hitler?
ANSWER Hitler used evolutionary theory as a basis for his rascism and inbreeding camps where he got German teens to copulate to bring on a 'superior race'. Furthermore, Hitler used evolutionary theory to give the basis for the extermination of minorities whether it was poor Jews, or gypsies or gays, etc etc..... Creationism is centered around the equality of races, and as such rejects absolutely racism in all its forms. Jesus is and was against racism. Churchianity and religion on the other hand is in bed with the political power of the day, no matter how evil it is.. The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK. .
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
You have the wrong idea about "correctness". There is no absolutely correct or incorrect handed down to us by some alien overlord. What is "correct" in a given situation is what works in that situation. Since situations vary from place to place and from time to time, it's only natural that morals also vary.
Your answer offers nothing in the way of a solution as to how one can prove a certain moral is correct.
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