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Author | Topic: Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What mechanism stops evolutionary change?
Running out of genetic diversity/ allelic options as new populations develop from old, especially as they near the point of "speciation" where their allelic options are severely reduced. You asked. But since this is off topic I'll see if I can find another place to take it.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi Faith
I assume you are replying to the subthread title, as it doesn't relate to my question on Okapi and the Giraffidae clade, and descent from their common ancestor population.
Running out of genetic diversity/ allelic options as new populations develop from old, especially as they near the point of "speciation" where their allelic options are severely reduced. This is an old argument of yours that has been much replied to ...
... But since this is off topic I'll see if I can find another place to take it. Good idea. Can I suggest resurrecting your old Evolution Requires Reduction in Genetic Diversity thread? I believe this thesis of yours was discussed in great detail there. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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CRR Member (Idle past 2243 days) Posts: 579 From: Australia Joined: |
Percy: Does this mean that you believe there was one original giraffe kind on the ark, and that the four species we see today are descended from that one original kind? If so, doesn't this mean you're advocating some kind of accelerated evolution? RAZD:In other words, they are members of a clade that descended from a common ancestor population, Please see my reply at Message 724 in "The TRVE history of the Flood..." Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Added link.
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2329 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Speedy mutations, accelerated evolution are double speak terms that assume there is evolution in the first place, and then make a wilder assumption that there is slow and fast mutational change, rather than just the original luck and chance random beneficial mutations making them get selected by the God of Selection who then rapidly slects them for viability and LIFE.
Im not buying it and no intelligent person worldwide should be buying it. There is no such thing as speedy mutations, or speedy selections, or speedy evolution...... Maybe speedy in evolutionary double speak is a million years rather than the usual billion years. Watch out for evolutionary double speak and the semantic games they play and want readers to 'swallow'. Go slow and decipher their double speak wording and then its easy to decipher their lies or untruths.. The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK. .
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2329 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Remember evolutionists have no timelines, time means nothing to them and they fear discussing their history.
Hence they now say the Big Bang was not instaneous and an explosion but a slow expansion, as a Big Bang explosion sounds to uncontroled and random and destructive to have brought forth such amazing life on Earth etc... Hence they make up a slow explosion semantic wording to catch the gullible and the intimidated.. The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK. .
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Please see my reply at Message 724 in "The TRVE history of the Flood..." Posted here because it was getting too far off topic in "Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution." But you didn't answer my question (highlighted below) which is on topic. Let me repeat my post:
quote: Is the Samotherium? their common ancestor? Inquiring minds want to know. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : added Samotherium reference from bluegenes in msg 93by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 285 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Remember evolutionists have no timelines, time means nothing to them and they fear discussing their history. That's a very stupid lie you just told. Whom do you hope to deceive?
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2329 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
If you're not afraid of your own evolutionary history then ask the admin to promote the NEW PROPOSED TOPIC called the Origins of Evolution or the History of Evolution.
EvC Forum: Discuss the origins of EVOLUTION But please, please refraim from always calling me a liar, or saying I am telling a lie. Just stay objective and stop the subjective. PS) Million and billion year timelines are not timelines but guesses at the best.. and these combined with missing LINKS of millions or billions of years is proof that evolution has no concept of time except their thinking that the impossible is possible if given enough time or more time or more time or more billions of years. The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK. .
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 285 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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But please, please refraim from always calling me a liar, or saying I am telling a lie. Stop telling stupid lies then.
Just stay objective and stop the subjective. It is an objective fact that you tell stupid lies.
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CRR Member (Idle past 2243 days) Posts: 579 From: Australia Joined: |
RAZD, See "The TRUE history of the flood" Message 756
Edited by CRR, : No reason given.
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CRR Member (Idle past 2243 days) Posts: 579 From: Australia Joined: |
Davidjay, we certainly do see mutations and adaptation, and I think there is sufficient evidence to accept speciation within the created kind.
Just the development of new breeds of dogs and cattle shows that adaptation can happen. The Belgian Blue cattle breed is one example where a mutation that would be harmful in the wild has been selected by breeders to increase beef production. However what we don't see, or at least I don't know of an example, is mutations adding significant amounts of new genetic information. This includes Nylonase and Cit+ in Lenski's LTE experiment. What we see is consistent with the Biblical YEC view. I suggest you read the article I linked. The mistake that Darwin and evolutionists make is to extrapolate what is observed way beyond the evidence to reach false conclusions.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 285 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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However what we don't see, or at least I don't know of an example, is mutations adding significant amounts of new genetic information. Have you managed to attach a meaning to that phrase yet? I like how you've hedged it with the word "significant".
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CRR Member (Idle past 2243 days) Posts: 579 From: Australia Joined: |
This is an area of ongoing research but progress is being made. See for example
"Measuring the functional sequence complexity of proteins", Measuring the functional sequence complexity of proteins | Theoretical Biology and Medical Modelling | Full Text . The authors provide a method to measure functional sequence complexity and apply it to 35 protein families.
Conclusion
A mathematical measure of functional information, in units of Fits, of the functional sequence complexity observed in protein family biosequences has been designed and evaluated. This measure has been applied to diverse protein families to obtain estimates of their FSC. The Fit values we calculated ranged from 0, which describes no functional sequence complexity, to as high as 2,400 that described the transition to functional complexity. This method successfully distinguishes between FSC and OSC, RSC, thus, distinguishing between order, randomness, and biological function.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 285 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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This is an area of ongoing research but progress is being made. So you can't yet attach meaning to the things you like to say, but you hope to be able to do so at some point in the future. At which point presumably you also hope they'll turn out to be true. Until that glorious day comes, would it not be more integrous to not say this stuff? Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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RAZD, See "The TRUE history of the flood" Message 756 Links to messages are easy: [mid=807989] becomes Message 756, where 807989 is that gray number right after "Message 756 of 759" in the message header
quote: As I'm talking about evolution explaining the evidence rather than a fantasy flood scenario, I choose to reply here. There's more ... what about Sivatherium:
quote: The skin rendering is immaterial (it could just as easily been similar to the Okapi) the the skeletal structure is accurate and the stance and musculature are probably appropriate. Then there other Hydaspitherium clade, also classified as members of the Giraffidae Clade, Bramatherium, Helladotherium, and Hydaspitherium. Interesting that there are 4 species in that genus, just as there are currently 4 species of giraffe. Of course evolution and nested hierarchies from common ancestors explain these as all members of the same Giraffidae Clade and we can easily trace the family traits (such as ossicones rather than horns on the heads). Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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