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Author Topic:   Can the creationist model explain the data?
Faith 
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Message 3 of 67 (808064)
05-08-2017 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by herebedragons
05-07-2017 7:27 PM


HBD, I would really like to see you spell out how your work makes use of your model and couldn't make use of mine, or CRRs or any creationist's, but you can't expect me to deal with that kind of problem. I am always thinking in broad generalities, not specific details and I stick to the facts and problems that best help explain the creationist point of view. I'm not familiar with cytochrome. You have to find a problem that actually takes into account what I think rather than imposing some totally alien problem on me. For all I know, in fact I think it very likely, my model could deal just fine with your problem, but if I'm not familiar with it you're going to get a big fat nothing from me.
Perhaps CRR can work with it, but it isn't really a test of a model, it's ju7st a way to shut us up in the end, whether you intend that or not. A runaround.
I propose that you tell us how YOUR model works with ANYTHING we can comprehend and then you might get some input from me. Spell out the "evolutionary principles" you'd apply to your problem that you think would be a different approach to it than a creationist who understood all that would come up with.
Or, how about just taking ONE "evolutionary principle" and comparing it with ONE "creationist principle" in relation to a SIMPLE problem in biology so I'd have SOME idea what you are talking about.
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Faith 
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Message 8 of 67 (808103)
05-08-2017 1:01 PM
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05-08-2017 12:56 PM


But of course. It's a setup, which is obvious anyway. Creationist silence gives you victory. How clever.
It's a test of absolutely nothing do with the creationist viewpoint. It should not have been promoted.
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Faith 
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Message 12 of 67 (808114)
05-08-2017 1:22 PM
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05-08-2017 1:12 PM


Well, try it. You have to come up with the problem though.

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Message 13 of 67 (808116)
05-08-2017 1:25 PM
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05-08-2017 1:21 PM


I don't think you understand one thing about what creationists are trying to do. You find the approach foreign to your experience and if our different points of view are too different this isn't going to work.
What you are calling "analyses of data" comes from your own very different context HBD, you are imposing conditions on creationists that are very likely irrelevant to what we are trying to do.
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Message 15 of 67 (808119)
05-08-2017 1:27 PM
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05-08-2017 1:25 PM


Forget it.
Do your victory dance. I'm out of here.

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Faith 
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Message 20 of 67 (808130)
05-08-2017 1:50 PM
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05-08-2017 1:36 PM


too bad because I would really like to see how this sort of discussion would go, but this is a set-up whether you mean it to be or not.

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Faith 
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Message 21 of 67 (808132)
05-08-2017 2:02 PM


Here's my laboratory experiment which I've mentioned before:
Collect a bunch of small creatures, small enough to let multiply in a lab but large enough to do DNA sampling on. Let them multiply, split them into new populations, let them multiply, keep doing this from each new population. Watch what happens to the genetic diversity.

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