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Dredge Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Dr Adequate writes:
A citation please. At any rate he was a theist and a creationist. ------------------------------- Hitler was a baptised Catholic, but so what? What has Nazism got to do with Catholicism? In his writings (and probaby his speeches) he made references to "God Almighty", for example, but one has to consider that he was a con-man trying to a appeal to a Christian society. Jim Jones initiallly used the cloak of Christianity in his "ministry", but it turns out he was a Communist! Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
I know what you're getting at, but you can't separate reality into separate compartments. Darwinism is an idea that has undeniable ontological implications. This is obvioius from the contrasting reactions of clerics and athesits to Darwin's book after it was published.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Provine was not a scientist, but an historian specializing in science, evolutionary biology and population genetics, and was respected as a philosopher. He held the position of Professor at Cornell University. I quoted him as an "evolutionary scientist" - my mistake. What your point?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
A true theist wouldn't be put off by the errors and failings of religious people. Besides, theism and religion can be mutually exclusive.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Wiki' describes Jones as "an American comminist and cult leader". If he was also a Christian, he was a very poor example of one.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Nice try, but I didn't lie about Provine; I was relying on memory for that part of the quote. Has your memory ever let you down?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
In post #901, I asked you a few questions pertaining to the relevance of proving morality, and you haven't attempted to answer any of them.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
I thank you for the Hitler quotes. They certainly suggest he was some kind of creationist. But who knows if he was being sincere or merely pandering to a theistic audience?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tangle writes: As did the discoveries of geology and astrology ... they proved the errors of primitive, superstitious thinking. ... a small detail you seemed to have overlooked - you can't equate empirical evidence with the theory of Common Descent. That's drawing a very long bow.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Dr Adequate writes:
Ontology is word I made up and it relates to the philosophical study of the nature of being, becoming, existence or reality. What do you think "ontological" means?(Another word I made up that appeared in one of my posts is Psychomosis, which describes the transfer of thoughts from one person's brain to another person's brain, through the air.)
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Dredge Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
In answer to your questions:
1. I don't know. 2. I don't know.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Ringo writes: Since situations vary from place to place and time to time, it's only natural that morals also vary. Good point - just look at the situation where Hitler decided the morally correct solution was to murder 6 million Jews. And also consider the Khmer Rouge, who accessed the situation and thought the right thing to do was to kill 5 millions Cambodians. Evidently, morality can be whatever you want it to be; you just make it up as you go along.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
ProtoTypical writes: We practice and enforce morality because we realise that doing so is directly beneficial to ourselves. ... or beneficial to society, as well, I would say. Consider Hitler, who believed murdering 6 million Jews would offer a direct benefit to society. Also consider the Khmer Rouge, who believed murdering 5 million Cambodians would offer a direct benefit to society. Then there's ISIS, who thinking slaughtering infidels offers a direct benefit to society. Morality can be whatever you want it to be.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
RAZD writes: for the preservation of the group Why do think preservation of the group is important?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
So which religion did Hitler follow?
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