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ringo
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Message 709 of 1352 (807899)
05-06-2017 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 708 by Faith
05-06-2017 1:21 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
Faith writes:
Here's how I answered Tanypteryx about the tracks in Message 676
That doesn't answer the question. Why is your scenario different from what we observe every day?

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Message 745 of 1352 (807969)
05-07-2017 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 710 by Faith
05-06-2017 1:33 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
Well, the flood building up tide by tide makes no sense in the first palce - but even if it did, why wouldn't there be waves? Wherever you have water and wind, you're going to have waves.
Faith writes:
... leaving the land damp with twelve hours to sit and dry some.
How would the land "dry some" every twelve hours when it was raining the whole time?

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ringo
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Message 774 of 1352 (808071)
05-08-2017 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 752 by Faith
05-07-2017 5:30 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
Faith writes:
there's no other reasonable interpretation of all that layered sediment with fossils in it than the Flood.
The problem is that it ISN"T reasonable. We've all SEEN floods and that isn't how they work.
In a local flood, the water comes down from higher ground bringing silt with it. The water can keep rising even after the rain stops. But if the whole earth was covered with water, the water couldn't keep rising after the rain stopped. And of course you'd still need a special mechanism to get rid of the water.

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ringo
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Message 777 of 1352 (808096)
05-08-2017 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 776 by Faith
05-08-2017 12:44 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
Faith writes:
Comparing a local flood to a worldwide flood is ridiculous.
On the contrary, making up a bunch of nonsense that contradicts reality is ridiculous. You need to explain WHY it would be different from the reality of real floods.
Faith writes:
The rain was not the only source of the Flood water: the "windows of heaven" and the "fountains of the deep" were the main source, neither of which had been opened before.
The windows of heaven are rain.

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ringo
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Message 780 of 1352 (808104)
05-08-2017 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 778 by Faith
05-08-2017 12:56 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
Faith writes:
I'll answer what I can when I can but be advised all of it has been answered before many times.
You have never answered anything to anybody's satisfaction but your own.
You should be looking at the questions and trying to answer them honestly instead of just trying to shoehorn your answers into your existing ad hoc framework.
For starters, demonstrate WHY the Flood would behave differently from a real flood.

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ringo
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Message 782 of 1352 (808111)
05-08-2017 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 781 by Faith
05-08-2017 1:12 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
Faith writes:
Forty days and nights of rain all over the earth...
Of course that's impossible. The water cycle requires evaporation in one area to produce rain in another. If it rained for forty days an forty nights over the whole earth, all of that water had to be up there beforehand, which is also impossible.
Faith writes:
...and even marine life would die because of all the sediment in the water.
So there must have been whales on the Ark.
The problem with your ad hoc approach is that every "answer" produces so many more questions.

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ringo
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Message 784 of 1352 (808126)
05-08-2017 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 783 by Faith
05-08-2017 1:32 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
Faith writes:
You don't get to say what is impossible and argue with God. Sorry.
I'm not arguing with God. I'm arguing with what YOU claim God said.
Faith writes:
The Bible is where we start, we don't argue it.
Nope. This is a science forum. Reality is where we start.

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ringo
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Message 818 of 1352 (808251)
05-09-2017 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 786 by Faith
05-08-2017 1:47 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
Faith writes:
Nooooo, we assume the Flood and try to prove it from the observed facts.
That's the opposite of science. You have a hypothesis and you should be trying to see if the observed facts fit your hypothesis, not twisting the facts to fit your hypothesis.
Faith writes:
We are not here to argue for the Bible's veracity.
I'm not arguing against the Bible's veracity. I'm arguing against yours.
I've pointed out many times where your scenario doesn't fit the Bible any better than it fits the observe4d facts.

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ringo
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Message 819 of 1352 (808252)
05-09-2017 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 810 by Minnemooseus
05-08-2017 11:26 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
Mosse writes:
Actually, I would think that there would be very substantial areas of the ocean that would be isolated enough from this sediment problem.
Since Faith claims that practically all sediments, worldwide, were laid down by the flood, I don't see how that is possible. If there were stretches of ocean with water clear enough for whales, etc. to survive, how would there be layers of sediment below them? Wouldn't you have vast areas of the earth's surface with virtually no geological column?

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ringo
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Message 847 of 1352 (808446)
05-10-2017 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 821 by Faith
05-09-2017 8:41 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
Faith writes:
Well there are places with no geological column, but you do seem to be forgetting the oceans, where there is also no geological column.
But of course there IS a geological column under the oceans, as Admin has pointed out. There ARE layers of sediment under the oceans - which should not be there if there was no sediment in the water.
Faith writes:
OK fine but ringo was talking about whales swimming over the land as if he'd forgotten there was an ocean.
No I was not. I was pointing out that the idea of clear water in the oceans doesn't work.

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ringo
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Message 849 of 1352 (808449)
05-10-2017 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 834 by Faith
05-10-2017 1:48 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
Faith writes:
The strata full of dead things are IN-YOUR-FACE EVIDENCE both for a worldwide Flood....
Why are strata full of dead things not evidence for a lot of small floods?

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ringo
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Message 853 of 1352 (808454)
05-10-2017 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 851 by Faith
05-10-2017 10:04 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
Faith writes:
Beecuzz they are buried usually in families within very thick flat sedimentary rocks stacked very very neatly and very deep under ideal conditions for fossilization, and not buried willy nilly.
But "willy-nilly" would suggest a big flood - lots of dead animals in lots of water with no mechanism to sort them out. What we see is reality is a neatness that has the appearance of happening in small steps.
So try again: Why does the evidence suggest one big flood instead of a lot of little ones?

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ringo
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Message 854 of 1352 (808456)
05-10-2017 10:31 PM
Reply to: Message 852 by ICANT
05-10-2017 10:23 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
ICANT writes:
The air breathing critters and the flying critters were doomed to die unless they were in the ark. Maybe I am missing something here.
Whales breathe air.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 927 of 1352 (810367)
05-28-2017 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 926 by Davidjay
05-28-2017 10:26 AM


Re: Where the flood waters came from...
Davidjay writes:
The biblical record states that there was a layer of water (or vapor) above the Earths surface in Genesis.
No it doesn't. The sun, moon and stars were visible.

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ringo
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Message 951 of 1352 (810970)
06-03-2017 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 947 by Davidjay
06-03-2017 6:47 AM


Re: Blood thirsty GIANT CROSSBREEDS is why the Flood came
Davidjay writes:
To understand why the worldwide flood came you have to study the cross breeding of the fallen angels that produced literal GIANTS.
That isn't even part of the story of the flood. Genesis specifies that God sent the Flood because of man:
quote:
Genesis 6:5-7And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
It doesn't even mention destroying any giants or fallen angels.

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