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Faith 
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Message 836 of 1352 (808392)
05-10-2017 2:02 PM
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05-10-2017 1:58 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
The reality of the strata and fossils trumps all of that.

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Message 838 of 1352 (808395)
05-10-2017 2:20 PM
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05-10-2017 2:12 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
Righto, all the bits and pieces of this and that found within a layer of sedimentary rock tell you that the rock itself or a few layers of rock, were once a whole earth scenario of living things that collapsed down in the end to the rock spanning thousands of square miles on which nothing at all could live. That's SO reasonable.

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Message 842 of 1352 (808437)
05-10-2017 7:02 PM
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05-10-2017 4:53 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
Siiiiiiiiiiiigh.
The strata that make up what is traditionally called the Geological Column, that also is the basis of the Geological Time Scale, covers HUGE amounts of territory, huge, some of them whole continents -- such as the layer called St. Peter Sandstone -- climbing two miles in some cases. I've posted HBD's illustrations of the enormous extent of four of the strata, and I've said it umpteen million times already, and you talk about lakes and graveyards?
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Message 843 of 1352 (808438)
05-10-2017 7:25 PM
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05-10-2017 2:48 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
That wasn't a parody, that was the plain truth.
I have no need to "ignore" what you call "buried terrain features since I've amply explained them.
You should assume that THE Flood (not A flood) deposited that limestone because 1) it's a layer among layers stacked to a great depth and covering a great area, 2) it's not shallow it's humongous in most cases 3) some of those layers are interpreted as time periods in which land creatures lived, all of which supposedly collapsed down in the end to vast slabs of rock, in this case limestone, which is impossible; 3) The Flood would certainly have killed a lot of sea creatures and buried them in limestone; and 4) such a stack of layers is excellent evidence for a spectacularly huge worldwide water catastrophe and very BAD evidence for the standard interpretation.
The evidence from Spirit Lake is excellent reason to reinterpret the Yellowstone petrified forest as formed in water as the trees in Spirit Lake were. That was brought about by a volcano too, which stripped the trees and deposited them upright in the lake, where they formed layers as they ran out of space. It's a remarkable situation that perfectly parallels the Yellowstone "forest." Being full of volcanic ash is evidence that it was a volcano that caused the whole scenario, not evidence that the trees are growing in the stuff. And the trees are obviously dead, dead before they got stacked that way. Lots of good evidence to rethink the usual explanation. Reality, PK, Reality.

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Message 851 of 1352 (808452)
05-10-2017 10:04 PM
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05-10-2017 9:53 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
Beecuzz they are buried usually in families within very thick flat sedimentary rocks stacked very very neatly and very deep under ideal conditions for fossilization, and not buried willy nilly.

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Message 855 of 1352 (808457)
05-10-2017 11:10 PM
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05-10-2017 10:23 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
Totally disagree, ICANT, I think there's tons of evidence for the worldwide Flood. I don't know much about Ellen G White, I wouldn't read a cultist.

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Message 859 of 1352 (808464)
05-11-2017 1:20 AM
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05-11-2017 12:11 AM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
I think the evidence is clear and sufficient but if I can't convince you so be it.

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Message 860 of 1352 (808465)
05-11-2017 1:22 AM
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05-11-2017 12:15 AM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
I've been arguing this for years, ICANT, and you obviously haven't read much of it. I don't feel up to reviewing it all for you right now.
Stir sediments, say silt, sand and whatever, in a glass of water, they'll form layers.
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Message 862 of 1352 (808469)
05-11-2017 1:36 AM
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05-11-2017 1:34 AM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
YEC is not based on Ellen G White. I never read White but I've read plenty of creationism and none of it refers to E G White or SDA or any of that..
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Message 871 of 1352 (808535)
05-11-2017 12:36 PM
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05-11-2017 10:35 AM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
Taq writes:
Faith writes:
The strata that make up what is traditionally called the Geological Column, that also is the basis of the Geological Time Scale, covers HUGE amounts of territory, huge, some of them whole continents -- such as the layer called St. Peter Sandstone -- climbing two miles in some cases.
But that's not true. The St. Peter Sandstone does not cover the entire NA continent. Why lie about it?
You are the one lying if anyone is. I've quoted the source of this on this thread before and mentioned it a number of times. What, it didn't cover some part of the continent so I can't say "all?" It stretches across the entire continent and is also found in the UK.
Here is the source. And before you complain that it's a creationist source let me tell you that it was edge who first used it as a source, I think on this thread:
John Morris writes:
On the entire continent, no mountain remained, for the St. Peter Sandstone covers essentially the entire continent with a sheet of sand roughly three thousand miles by one thousand miles in area, yet less than 300 feet thick!
Taq writes:
There are no worldwide flood layers. There aren't even flood layers that cover a single landmass.
Where did I say there were? What do you mean by "cover?" The four strata/time periods on the NA continent in the maps that HBD posted some time ago that I've linked to many times already on this thread cover a HUGE amount of the continent.
And that's all I said.
Obviously you are the liar.

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Message 873 of 1352 (808542)
05-11-2017 12:47 PM
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05-11-2017 12:44 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
In that case they obviously cover MORE territory than the maps show.

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Message 878 of 1352 (808620)
05-11-2017 4:40 PM
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05-11-2017 12:51 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
Good GREEEEEEEEF.
The Flood wouldn't have had to cover every square inch of land with a sediment layer. Surely there would have been gaps in the load carried in the water, suirely there would have been areas eroded away after deposition.
Somebody shoot me. Lethally please.

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Message 886 of 1352 (809057)
05-16-2017 12:53 AM
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05-16-2017 12:01 AM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
ICANT I don't care about who thought what when. What I argue here is my own understanding of what the Flood would have done based on my own observations.; I don't care who came up with what theory.

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Message 907 of 1352 (809385)
05-18-2017 9:44 AM
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05-18-2017 12:14 AM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
ICANT you seem to be going on about other people's theories, not mine.

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Message 958 of 1352 (811509)
06-08-2017 10:25 PM
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06-08-2017 9:52 PM


Re: More evidence
No local flood will do it, Coyote, no matter how scary for the locals. The Bible is clear that the Flood covered the whole earth. There would have been no need to build an ark if Noah had had the hundred years advance warning he had of a local flood, he would simply have moved his family out of the flood area.

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