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Message 675 of 734 (808528)
05-11-2017 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 671 by Percy
05-11-2017 9:40 AM


Re: New Orleans is Removing Confederate War Monuments
. . . but letting that statue remain standing doesn't mean the cause is still venerated today . . .
And yet racism and the Confederacy are still venerated today by white supremacist groups in the South and elsewhere.

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Message 677 of 734 (808534)
05-11-2017 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 676 by NoNukes
05-11-2017 12:29 PM


Re: New Orleans is Removing Confederate War Monuments
NoNukes writes:
I'm going with the mayor on this. Put these monstrosities in a museum and take eighth-graders of every color on a tour to see them in their proper context.
To put this in a more modern context, imagine if Nazis after WWII erected a massive statue of Hitler in the main town square of Berlin in reverence of their much beloved leader. Imagine if the statue was still held in high esteem by modern day Nazis, and that anti-Semitism was still rampant in some parts of Germany.
I think we would all think that the Hitler statue would be an affront to human rights and human decency.

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Message 682 of 734 (808574)
05-11-2017 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 679 by Percy
05-11-2017 1:27 PM


Re: New Orleans is Removing Confederate War Monuments
Percy writes:
If they end up in a museum then that would also be fine, but will they actually end up there? If they do end up in a museum will that really be the end of the objections, or will the objections then become to the museum displays?
There are museums that deal with the Holocaust, mistreatment of Native Americans, and plenty of other ugly parts of history. No one seems to object to them.
In our culture, the statues you place in public squares are meant to describe your city's values. That's why these statues are being taken down and moved, because they run counter to the values that NO citizens want to be represented. A museum display detailing the relics of racism, slavery, and the Confederacy wouldn't be considered an expression of NO's values in the same way.

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Message 704 of 734 (809141)
05-16-2017 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 700 by Percy
05-15-2017 12:57 PM


Re: Confederate Monuments Worth Keeping
Percy writes:
In the editorial The Meaning of Our Confederate ‘Monuments’ in today's New York Times author Gary Shapiro argues for what he calls the "contextualist position." Focusing on Richmond's Monument Avenue he concludes:
There is also a social and cultural context that can't be ignored. These statues are and were venerated by white nationalists. These statues are not simply historical relics that communicate about our past, but are political and propaganda tools used by racist organizations.
It's one thing to have a museum detailing the Holocaust. It is yet another to have a massive statue of Hitler in the town square that is venerated by Neo-Nazis.

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Message 709 of 734 (809239)
05-17-2017 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 708 by Percy
05-17-2017 9:27 AM


Re: et tu, Beauregard?
Percy writes:
A warehouse. This is a lost opportunity to put context around the statue. Now the statue will be forgotten. Or perhaps it will be purchased by white supremacists to use in promoting their agenda.
It could also be donated to a Civil War museum that can put all of these statues and relics in their proper cultural and historical context.

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Message 723 of 734 (809980)
05-22-2017 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 715 by Percy
05-20-2017 7:48 AM


Re: Robert E. Lee Statue Removed in New Orleans
Percy writes:
Another piece of our history lost:
They are moving them, not destroying them.

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Message 725 of 734 (810173)
05-24-2017 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 724 by New Cat's Eye
05-22-2017 3:57 PM


New Cat's Eye writes:
This was a good read:
http://pulsegulfcoast.com/...ddress-on-confederate-monuments
It's the mayor of New Orleans explaining why they took the monuments down.
I don't really care if a city want to remove monuments, but I did think it was a pretty dumb thing to do.
Reading the mayors explanation changed my mind some, and I don't think it's that dumb. It's not really something that I care about, but they can do what they want - and the reasoning wasn't bad and isn't really disagreeable.
In that speech, the mayor mentions how the people who built and erected the statues were trying to rewrite history. I wasn't quite sure what he was talking about until I saw this picture of one of the monuments that was taken down.
It all makes a little more sense now. There was a racist backlash after the South lost the Civil War, and part of that was erecting statues that tried to change the truth about history.

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