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Author Topic:   Debunking the Evolutionary God of 'Selection'
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Message 128 of 323 (808359)
05-10-2017 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by Admin
05-10-2017 10:19 AM


Re: Notice how I always answer queries
I am winning this debate and commenting and answering evolutionists even as they get off topic.... but if this ongoing problem of evolutionists losing needs to be remedied and stopped... thats your choice and your responsibility.
But the God of Selection, and randomness remains dead, and still at random.
Your the one that gave me the insight to start this topic in the first place, so do responmd and defend your position that Selection is not random.
You may proceed.... or you can select a spokesperson from evolutionists to speak for you.
Do you not remember that, you were the one that first starting talking about 'Selection' as if it was a God and that it was not random like mutations.
If you conceed defeat on this topic, so be it. Not a problem, as Selection in all my responses shows that it is not alive and that the environment does not bring on mutations, and does not produce beneficial mutations, and does not produce life and is not a living entity such as in Mother Nature.
Please read and study previous posts of mine, or if you like specify which one was off topic and not dealing with the subject matter or a question posed by a respondant (mainly evolkutionists or maybe all by evolutionists).
Thanks be specific rather than vague and undirected.
Thanks
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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Davidjay 
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Message 130 of 323 (808363)
05-10-2017 11:24 AM
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05-10-2017 11:12 AM


Re: Notice how I always answer queries
They dont respond to my questions, but you 'force me to respond to their questions'. Interesting moderation or 'unfairness'
I have responded 31 times already, and explained by point 31 times already, nevertheless lets look at your theory that they need their evolution comments answered.....
..... I answered MESSAGE 121, in my response in MESSAGE 125, while answering 124 as well.
Color is not speciation, unless you define color as a new KIND, because evolutionists are so desperate for some kind of proof or missing link.
Please see and study the whole thread concerning.. evolution is racism.... color differences in humans does not mean a new KIND or superior kind has evolved. All colours of humans are the same.
Evolutiuonists teach that different colors are different and are proofs of evolution and speciation. I differ, and your theory causes no end of problems and wars.
Do note that all my threads are consistent and follow consistent principles. Evolutionists switch principles in mid stream to cover up turbulences in their backwash and their innumerable discreptancies......
Moth color change is an adaption, and as we found out on the thread called ... (Ill get that thread HERE for ya)
the environment does not bring on mutations, or change our genome, or DNA...nothing we do changes our behaviours, all instincts and behaviours are GIVEN at Creation, or must be taught into every new generation.
So let me repeat again Percy, Message 125 that answered your 121 forced response that theoretically I must answer..
Skin, eye color and hair, still doesnt change skin into non skin, or eyes into ears, or hair into scales. The moth colour change is hardly the missing link evolutionists so want to show as proof of their evolutionary theory. Its just a different color, an adaption ability given by the Lord at Creation...
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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 134 of 323 (808370)
05-10-2017 11:44 AM


Color is not a new KIND
Whewee the evolutionists are out in force now.......
I repeat... color is not an example of evolution making new species.
Its blatantly obvious to any that have been out in the real world.
Moths changing color is not evolution as evolutionists so demand and try to force down unbelievers throats and eyesockets.
Colors within the genome of humans etc..... is just a recombination of skin tones.... it doesnt make a black person any less or more advanced than a white person.
SEE and study Evolution is a racist doctrine THREAD
Evolutionists you can not have it both ways, and change coats whenever you try and cover up your theory.
Colors changes are not a proof of a new KIND evolving... other wise if you continue with such a unscientific doctrine, then admit that your evolutionary theory does in fact promote racism.
Creationism **** Evolution *****
There I have totally answered question 121, 124, 122, and given whole threads as further evidence..... so readers can search out whether mere color change is evidence for evolutionary developed new KINDS...again

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 138 of 323 (808420)
05-10-2017 3:21 PM
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05-10-2017 12:32 PM


Re: Color is not a new KIND
If you win, you lose. If you say and supposedly prove that color is a NEW KIND, then you lose your argument and debate, concerning your theory of evolution is not racist.
Color is not a new KIND, all people are equal despite the color of skin variation...... racism is vile and is an imagination of natioanlistic people and those that want to start trouble and wars. Evolution supports their supposed differentiation. Evolution is a racist doctrine.
Moth color change selected out by birds because the moths blend in better to their surroundings and are less likely to be seen, is an adaption from the Lord for the Moth. The moth is still a moth, and the color change in no way means it has changed its genetics or evolved into a NEW KIND.
That is an insane desperate unscientific lie of evolutionists to try and suggest that moth color shows evolutionary change.
The God of Selection has been slain, she is dead....

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 164 of 323 (808670)
05-12-2017 7:58 AM


Without 'beneficial magic mutations', the God of Selection dies
The God of Selection is only alive and selecting if she has beneficial mutations to select from. If there are no benefical mutations and this lie of evolution is realised and admitted, it means the 'God of Selection' can not select from beneficial mutations. Because of her death and non existence, it means she can NOT let some of them live, via her divine selective process using her divine environmental conditions......
Without beneficial mutations, she dies and is no more, and evolutionists can no longer honor her and pretend she is non random and alive.
The God of Selection dies without beneficial mutations.
And HEREIN we aren't allowed in Propose New Topics to write about the Proofs of benefical mutations existing'
EvC Forum: Beneficial mutations do they exist ?
No beneficial mutations means NO 'God of Selection'.
The God of Selection never existed
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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 169 of 323 (808679)
05-12-2017 8:46 AM
Reply to: Message 165 by RAZD
05-12-2017 8:16 AM


Re: NO mutations away from mothers milk..miracle
Babies were born as is, since their creation.....
The Lord or if you like their designer designed them to be able to process mothers milk because it is BY FAR the best for them including the amazing abilities after giving birth, that makes mothers milk absolutely important and vital rather than cow milk and its economic profit from manufacturers.....
Its by design.... no mutation put all those ingeedients in a mothers milk, to help her new born. Please study and learn about procreation and the miracle of birth and mothers milk.
No mutation has ever taken place, we still are the same as in the BEGINNING.
Yes, GMOS etc from man are screwing up people after birth for economic sake of the rich and powerful. But no mutation has ever taken place that makes cows milk more beneficial than a mothers milk.
No selection process has taken place..... no mutations have been induced by the environment as we have already determined that beneficial or harmful mutations are not induced, and are suppsoedly only at random.
We cant change horses in mid stream with every new thread and discount old truths we have already established HERE.
We need to be consistent, and have principles.... not flip flop with every new responses or responses.
The god of selection is dead, because no beneficial mutations have ever occured by chance or by non random selection. She is dead, and beneficial mutations never existed
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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 172 of 323 (808703)
05-12-2017 9:51 AM
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05-12-2017 9:42 AM


Re: What changes have their been in new babies from old babies ?
So tell us and explain to us, evolutionists how todays babies are different than babies in the past.
Tell us what new beneficial mutations have occured in babies that have been selected by your god of selection, that makes new babies genetically different than old babies or the original human babies.
Dont be afraid just explain yourself, you are in your congregation, so have faith and speak up... and testify about the changes.
Thanks I am hoping to hear from you, and hoping you dont run from this question as per usual.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 182 of 323 (808730)
05-12-2017 11:33 AM
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05-12-2017 11:04 AM


Re: What changes have their been in new babies from old babies ?
Answer the question and keep my discussion alive ?
What mutational beneficial changes have occured in babies, compared to original babies ?
Dont repeat color changes as evidence of mutation, thats laughable and already debunked as a difference in a species.
But then again, add color change to your evolutionary God of Selection, how does she or he select black babies so that they become a new mutated species or KIND different from 'white babies' ?
Just answer the question, and discuss it via your answer.
You have to learn to answer questions ? Have faith and answer !

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 185 of 323 (808743)
05-12-2017 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Taq
05-12-2017 11:46 AM


Re: What changes have their been in new babies from old babies ?
Deal with the question..
Answer the question !!
or have one of your evolutionary friends answer the question.
Why do you refuse to answer the question? Have you no faith in your theory ? Dont you know what your theory says ? Why do you lack courage ?
What beneficial mutational changes have occured within our babies, so that they are different from original babies ?
You evolutionists have talked about these supposed beneficial mutations, so discuss one, state one ?
Or state how white babies show mutational change because they have been selected by your god of selection to be differtent than black babies ?
Creationism wins again because ALL as in ALL the evolutionists have run away and cant answer for their mutational supposed changes...
I choose intelligent design and that color makes no difference in humans and so I am a winner.
Answer losers or make yourself a winner by answering.. have some courage for a change....
IECHFTAG
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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 188 of 323 (808788)
05-13-2017 7:50 AM
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05-13-2017 3:36 AM


Re: Dont run...
Come on CRR.... dont run away.
The question is what magical mutations have happened in human babies, that make them different from original babies?
Or as desperate evolutionaries HERE chatted away for so long about, why do you think color shows there has been evolutionary change ? Why do you think black babies are different than white babies ....... do you really think or believe that blacks are different than whites ?
Otherwise I win again, and evolutionist again refuse to answer any questions..... because they know they are defeated and without answers.
Taq refuses to answer, but you should be able to. Some evolutionist surely has the courage to answer.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 190 of 323 (808877)
05-14-2017 10:19 AM
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05-13-2017 10:43 AM


Re:Answer the question, Are babies different now than before
Re:Answer the question, Are babies different now than before..
As per usual, evolutionists run when asked a question, because they know they cant answer it ?
I repeat, Re:Answer the question, Are babies different now than before.
What new beneficial mutations have occured that make us different than our ancestors babies, I mean our human ancestor babies.
Do label and explain these beneficial mutations rather than trying to say, mutations are shown by color, because we all know or should know that color is not a mutational change, just a superficial one... evolionists hope we are all different and branching but creationist know we are all the same and EQUAL.
Answer evolutionists answer rather than running and hiding, and getting tripped off.,

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 213 of 323 (808954)
05-15-2017 8:28 AM
Reply to: Message 211 by Admin
05-15-2017 7:38 AM


This thread is for all not just for me.
This thread is for Davidjay to debunk selection.
No Percy this thread is not for me only to debunk selection. A thread is for all to discuss, pro and con. As a so called moderator and judge, you should know that. Therefore trying to isolate me as the one and only proponent against the god of selection is your value judgment placed on all readers, so as to promote the god of selection. Why because you Percy were the first person I heard praising selection as if it was divine and alive because of its so called non random selecting process.
You dont just post against me, your evolutionists also post. So it is not me against you or me against all of you... Its a objective debate that I have won because I have demonstarted and proven my case in written form. All can enter in, all can discuss, and all should consider that selection is not alive.
Selection is totally dependant on their being socalled beneficial mutations, and no beneficial mutations have ever been discovered let alone any beneficial mutations ever caused a species to change. Your foolish colour mutations are not mutations just a color switch adaption..... poor deluded evolutionists so desperate in trying to find some evidence somewhere to confirm their theory.
So come on Percy, at least try to appear fair....
I say and have proven your god of selection is dead, because it has no living beneficial mutations to select from.
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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 220 of 323 (809097)
05-16-2017 10:25 AM
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05-15-2017 10:23 AM


Re: As mentioned evolutionists never answer questions
Re:Answer the question, Are babies different now than before..
As per usual, evolutionists run when asked a question, because they know they cant answer it ?
I repeat, Re:Answer the question, Are babies different now than before.
What new beneficial mutations have occured that make us different than our ancestors babies, I mean our human ancestor babies.
Do label and explain these beneficial mutations rather than trying to say, mutations are shown by color, because we all know or should know that color is not a mutational change, just a superficial one... evolionists hope we are all different and branching but creationist know we are all the same and EQUAL.
Answer evolutionists answer rather than running and hiding, and getting tripped off.,
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Notice how they demand answers to their side topics but never answer the questions posed to them.

Evolutyionists are used to forcing their theory on students and scientists. They are not used to answering any questions on this theory, because it is their religion. And as a religion it must be accepted by faith.... It is not science and it is not logical or rational and has no facts behind it. Evolution is a con and a LIE. A big one, but because it is forced on the gullible and on students, they must accept it. This their modus operandi...and so when faced with sane biological opposition, they can only be subjective rather than objective.

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Davidjay 
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Message 221 of 323 (809098)
05-16-2017 10:33 AM
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05-16-2017 7:29 AM


Re: Your wording is against the rules
Thats totally bias, and unjust.
This thread is not about me, its not a subjective thread, its an objective threrad. Percy you are stating that
Again, it would be better if the discussion on information were moved to a new thread. If someone proposes a new thread over at Proposed New Topics I will review it as quickly as possible. This thread is for Davidjay to defend his propositions against selection.
You assume incorrectly that I alone am against your god of selection. You assume as an evolutionists that no one can possibly agree with me, about your god....and her godlike selction of suppposed beneficial mutations that she can non randomly pick out for survival.
That is not what happens in a true OPEN debate, it is not one against all, it is one principle against another principle.... and then all can enter in. Attempting to isolate me is against the rules, against objectivity.
As an evolutionist you should at least try to be objective and try to moderate fairly.
I mean its bad enough when you wont allow the origins of evolution, your Missing treeshrew LINK, or beneficial mutations be discussed by me (and others)

Evolutyionists are used to forcing their theory on students and scientists. They are not used to answering any questions on this theory, because it is their religion. And as a religion it must be accepted by faith.... It is not science and it is not logical or rational and has no facts behind it. Evolution is a con and a LIE. A big one, but because it is forced on the gullible and on students, they must accept it. This their modus operandi...and so when faced with sane biological opposition, they can only be subjective rather than objective.

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Message 224 of 323 (809319)
05-17-2017 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by RAZD
05-17-2017 12:22 AM


Re: As mentioned evolutionists never answer questions
Evolutionists are dumber than the bones they worship and fantasize about...... I repeat, color change is not a sign and proof of evolution, its merely a color change adaption the Lord gives moths and even people. Peoples colour does not mean they are mutating into a new improved race or into an inferior race...
Its just a desperate desperate insane attempt to justify the false religion of evolution.
And yet evolutionists in their desperation have no other proofs so cling to their color change as if it is a beneficial change that means organs can evolve and systems can evolve.
How significant that shallow superifical evolutionists cling to their skin deep color change as their proof of their religious unscientific mutational proof.
Its a lie, a blatant deceptive lie. This making evolutionists who say this lie, liars.

Being told to Fuck you I can fucking write whatever I want' by Cats eye to me is against the rules of civil debate, but this board says otherewise and allows evolutionists do write such vulgar comments without punishment.
Evolutionists are used to forcing their theory on students and scientists. They are not used to answering any questions on this theory, because it is their religion. And as a religion it must be accepted by faith.... It is not science and it is not logical or rational and has no facts behind it. Evolution is a con and a LIE. A big one, but because it is forced on the gullible and on students, they must accept it. This their modus operandi...and so when faced with sane biological opposition, they can only be subjective rather than objective.

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