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Message 976 of 984 (808560)
05-11-2017 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 974 by Davidjay
05-11-2017 1:06 PM


Re: Got ya again .. Think bat think
Davidjay writes:

Chir means bat, CHir stated that bats are our primates ancestors, and three other stupid evolutionaries said the same thing.

That's a flat out lie. I dare you to quote any of us saying that.

Remember, ... ah Ill tell you later...as no one gets away with anything with the Lord.

What is the Lord going to think about your lies?


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Message 977 of 984 (808566)
05-11-2017 1:27 PM
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05-11-2017 1:06 PM


Re: Got ya again .. Think bat think
Chir means bat, CHir stated that bats are our primates ancestors, and three other stupid evolutionaries said the same thing.

You are telling stupid lies again, David.

Whom do you hope to deceive? Granted, you are grossly, pitifully stupid, but even you must have noticed that you're not fooling anyone.


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Message 978 of 984 (808571)
05-11-2017 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 974 by Davidjay
05-11-2017 1:06 PM


Re: Got ya again .. Think bat think
Hi Davidjay,

No one ever said humans are descended from bats. This has been pointed out many time. I'm going to remove your posting permissions in this forum.


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Message 979 of 984 (808573)
05-11-2017 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 969 by Davidjay
05-11-2017 12:56 PM


Partial truths, partial lies, mostly GIGO
You said students should learn the scientific method. What is the scientific method, according to you?

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Of course, Jesus created science and all science and all fields should be stdied to help enquiring minds, and via the scienctific method, we all agree on, should be taught so they can have discernment rather than them being forced into compliance with every wierd doctrine that comes along. ...

Once again we have no description of what the scientific method involves, the steps and procedures, etc etc etc

Just more spam.

This is not an answer to the question "What is the scientific method, according to you?" -- it is non-sequitur GIGO...

Once again you fail, you lose.

SEE and read and study all my agreements and diorectives on The Science as Revealed Truth Thread.

Perhaps you could extract from those rambling posts where you addressed what steps make up the scientific method?

I did a search for "scientific method" and the only reference I saw was in Message 81 where we see:

quote:
Spiritality is testable, as I mentioned. Jesus is testable as I mentioned, the invisable can be tested.

And evolution can not be tested, only theorised. You can try to make new artistic graphs, and suggest bone A fits into Bone B, but suggestions and quesses are not proofs.

But I must give you a chance, please show your test results..... of evolutionists trying to support other evolutionists.

Did you test my exact methods in finding out truths about the invisable spiritual world, using the experimental scientific method I gave, so you can KNOW for sure...from personal experience.


color added for emphasis.

And yet all I have seen on that thread is reference to testing. Testing is only one part of the scientific method - can you list the other steps?

Perhaps you can discuss this "experimental scientific method" in greater detail?

Another snippet you mentioned was in Message 2

quote:
Yes, true scientists test and prove their theories.

True scientists find truths and laws.

True scientists are not swayed by their peers or the belief systems of others, they have open minds and hearts, and just search until they find truths.

And besides all truths have to be connected and joined, no truth stands alone, but leads to other truths.


Is that what you think the "experimental scientific method" is?

Can you provide details for how scientists prove their theories?

This is an excellent thread for you to expand on these issues and describe in detail how it is done, so we can agree on what is taught in schools.

So far you have missed the mark by a considerable margin, nothing but air.

Enjoy


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Message 980 of 984 (808575)
05-11-2017 1:46 PM
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05-11-2017 1:36 PM


Re: Partial truths, partial lies, mostly GIGO
RAZD writes:

Perhaps you could extract from those rambling posts where you addressed what steps make up the scientific method?

What I extracted is that Davidjay is totally against the use of the scientific method.

"No keep, schools for knowledge rather than theories."--Davidjay, post 953

The final output of the scientific method is theories. If you say that you don't want theories taught to students, then you are saying that you don't want the scientific method taught.

"I am sad because the practical result of this brouhaha will not be expanded coverage to include creationism (that would also make me sad), but the reduction or excision of evolution from high school curricula. Evolution is one of the half dozen "great ideas" developed by science. It speaks to the profound issues of genealogy that fascinate all of usthe "roots" phenomenon writ large. Where did we come from? Where did life arise? How did it develop? How are organisms related? It forces us to think, ponder, and wonder. Shall we deprive millions of this knowledge and once again teach biology as a set of dull and unconnected facts, without the thread that weaves diverse material into a supple unity?"--Stephen Jay Gould, "Evolution as Fact and Theory"

Edited by Taq, : No reason given.


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Message 981 of 984 (808680)
05-12-2017 8:48 AM
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05-11-2017 1:06 PM


Re: Got ya again .. Think bat think
Go ahead Chir, state you never siad we came from bats, or bats are our ancestors or bats preceeded primates or were first on the branch.

Since Davidjay lost his posting privileges on this forum, I won't write a rebuttal here. I will link to the message he keeps going on about:
Message 209
The reader can judge for herself what I was trying to say.


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Message 982 of 984 (808697)
05-12-2017 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 980 by Taq
05-11-2017 1:46 PM


Re: Partial truths, partial lies, mostly GIGO
What I extracted is that Davidjay is totally against the use of the scientific method.

In fact, Davidjay (and others here) are totally against science. Science is not just a bunch of facts that happen by hook or crook to be true. Science is the uncovery of truth using the scientific method. If things like Creationism or Intelligent Design were to be taught in science class, the purpose of doing so would be to make contrasts with science.

What Davidjay would instead allow to be taught in science are "Flash Facts" (anybody know what those are) that do not challenge the Bible in any way along with the numerology and "Creation Science" he finds to be correct. His inability to state what the scientific method is gives away the game. He surely does not care about why that is taught.


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Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

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Message 983 of 984 (808702)
05-12-2017 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 981 by Chiroptera
05-12-2017 8:48 AM


Re: Got ya again .. Think bat think
The reader can judge for herself what I was trying to say.

You said that bats and humans possibly branched off from some common ancestor, which any fool would know would not have been a bat or a human, and that the ancestor was likely not a close one.

Davidjay likely finds the entire prospect too offensive to comprehend or two respond to. His remarks are similar to the old complaints from fundamentalists that "my grandpa wasn't no monkey". Yeah, well nobody said that either.

Beyond that, it appears that his elevator does not go to the top floor. I feel sorry for the dude.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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Message 984 of 984 (808746)
05-12-2017 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 981 by Chiroptera
05-12-2017 8:48 AM


Re: Got ya again .. Think bat think
Since Davidjay lost his posting privileges on this forum, I won't write a rebuttal here. I will link to the message he keeps going on about:
Message 209
The reader can judge for herself what I was trying to say.

Curiously I got slightly different results from paleos, and your link also now shows chiroptera under Laurasiatheria, not Archonta, while primates are under the sister branch, Euarchontaglires.

See Message 99 on A good summary of so called human evolution.

Enjoy


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