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Taq Member Posts: 10081 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Davidjay writes: Chir means bat, CHir stated that bats are our primates ancestors, and three other stupid evolutionaries said the same thing. That's a flat out lie. I dare you to quote any of us saying that.
Remember, ... ah Ill tell you later...as no one gets away with anything with the Lord. What is the Lord going to think about your lies?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Chir means bat, CHir stated that bats are our primates ancestors, and three other stupid evolutionaries said the same thing. You are telling stupid lies again, David. Whom do you hope to deceive? Granted, you are grossly, pitifully stupid, but even you must have noticed that you're not fooling anyone.
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Admin Director Posts: 13038 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
Hi Davidjay,
No one ever said humans are descended from bats. This has been pointed out many time. I'm going to remove your posting permissions in this forum.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
You said students should learn the scientific method. What is the scientific method, according to you? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course, Jesus created science and all science and all fields should be stdied to help enquiring minds, and via the scienctific method, we all agree on, should be taught so they can have discernment rather than them being forced into compliance with every wierd doctrine that comes along. ... Once again we have no description of what the scientific method involves, the steps and procedures, etc etc etc Just more spam. This is not an answer to the question "What is the scientific method, according to you?" -- it is non-sequitur GIGO... Once again you fail, you lose.
SEE and read and study all my agreements and diorectives on The Science as Revealed Truth Thread. Perhaps you could extract from those rambling posts where you addressed what steps make up the scientific method? I did a search for "scientific method" and the only reference I saw was in Message 81 where we see:
quote: color added for emphasis. And yet all I have seen on that thread is reference to testing. Testing is only one part of the scientific method - can you list the other steps? Perhaps you can discuss this "experimental scientific method" in greater detail? Another snippet you mentioned was in Message 2 quote: Is that what you think the "experimental scientific method" is? Can you provide details for how scientists prove their theories? This is an excellent thread for you to expand on these issues and describe in detail how it is done, so we can agree on what is taught in schools. So far you have missed the mark by a considerable margin, nothing but air. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Taq Member Posts: 10081 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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RAZD writes: Perhaps you could extract from those rambling posts where you addressed what steps make up the scientific method? What I extracted is that Davidjay is totally against the use of the scientific method. "No keep, schools for knowledge rather than theories."--Davidjay, post 953 The final output of the scientific method is theories. If you say that you don't want theories taught to students, then you are saying that you don't want the scientific method taught. "I am sad because the practical result of this brouhaha will not be expanded coverage to include creationism (that would also make me sad), but the reduction or excision of evolution from high school curricula. Evolution is one of the half dozen "great ideas" developed by science. It speaks to the profound issues of genealogy that fascinate all of usthe "roots" phenomenon writ large. Where did we come from? Where did life arise? How did it develop? How are organisms related? It forces us to think, ponder, and wonder. Shall we deprive millions of this knowledge and once again teach biology as a set of dull and unconnected facts, without the thread that weaves diverse material into a supple unity?"--Stephen Jay Gould, "Evolution as Fact and Theory" Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Go ahead Chir, state you never siad we came from bats, or bats are our ancestors or bats preceeded primates or were first on the branch. Since Davidjay lost his posting privileges on this forum, I won't write a rebuttal here. I will link to the message he keeps going on about:
Message 209 The reader can judge for herself what I was trying to say. Freedom is merely privilege extended, unless enjoyed by one and all. — Billy Bragg
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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What I extracted is that Davidjay is totally against the use of the scientific method. In fact, Davidjay (and others here) are totally against science. Science is not just a bunch of facts that happen by hook or crook to be true. Science is the uncovery of truth using the scientific method. If things like Creationism or Intelligent Design were to be taught in science class, the purpose of doing so would be to make contrasts with science. What Davidjay would instead allow to be taught in science are "Flash Facts" (anybody know what those are) that do not challenge the Bible in any way along with the numerology and "Creation Science" he finds to be correct. His inability to state what the scientific method is gives away the game. He surely does not care about why that is taught. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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The reader can judge for herself what I was trying to say. You said that bats and humans possibly branched off from some common ancestor, which any fool would know would not have been a bat or a human, and that the ancestor was likely not a close one. Davidjay likely finds the entire prospect too offensive to comprehend or two respond to. His remarks are similar to the old complaints from fundamentalists that "my grandpa wasn't no monkey". Yeah, well nobody said that either. Beyond that, it appears that his elevator does not go to the top floor. I feel sorry for the dude. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Since Davidjay lost his posting privileges on this forum, I won't write a rebuttal here. I will link to the message he keeps going on about:
Message 209 The reader can judge for herself what I was trying to say. Curiously I got slightly different results from paleos, and your link also now shows chiroptera under Laurasiatheria, not Archonta, while primates are under the sister branch, Euarchontaglires. See Message 99 on A good summary of so called human evolution. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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creation Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
quote: Mainly, that that method does not cover creation or the far past.
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creation Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
quote:Yet you feel you share an ancestor with the potato, no?
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
creation writes: Nope, I don't feel that, at all. What's your point?
Yet you feel you share an ancestor with the potato, no?
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Percy Member Posts: 22500 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
creation writes: quote:Mainly, that that method does not cover creation or the far past. The scientific method covers anything in the natural world for which evidence exists. The evidence can be for anything, including the distant past. The light from stars shows them as they were years, centuries and millennia ago. Fossils show life as it was millions and billions of years ago. Archeological excavations show how humans lived centuries and millennia ago. Forensics shows what happened in a crime hours, days, and even years ago. --Percy
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
quote: Mainly, that that method does not cover creation or the far past. Or mainly that the method does not cover any mythology, imagination or fantasy concept, simply because those are not scientific concepts, and there is no objective empirical evidence for them. This is one of the core reasons to separate school from religion. Religion is free to teach their concepts in their institutions. School is for teaching students how to find information, how to process information logically, and how to use science to validate and expand our knowledge. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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creation Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Still having trouble admitting origin science branches are religion eh?
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