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Phat
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Message 489 of 4573 (800532)
02-24-2017 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 488 by jar
02-24-2017 8:02 PM


Re: Godwins Law Remix
It Can't Happen Here
One parallel that I see involves this whole idea of the source of the news. The nazis didn't want conservative news nor liberal news. They simply wanted National Socialist News. Too many people do not trust the news unless it comes from ultra right wing Alex Jones...who somehow has them convinced that he and he alone has the pulse of truth.
I am beginning to see the wisdom in examining content before worrying about the source.
Another thing I have noticed. Donald Trump is more entertaining than any parody of him ever could be. Hilarious yet sad. We definitely live in interesting times.
One more note: To any of you who see yourselves as Christian. Jesus did not see Himself as a part of this world. He was neither a socialist nor a right wing nationalist. Perhaps you are fighting the wrong battles.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 502 of 4573 (800595)
02-26-2017 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Dogmafood
01-04-2017 8:02 PM


Upcoming State Of The Union speech
I just read another article by the same professor who wrote The Mind Of Donald Trump written in The Atlantic magazine.
I took psychology in college and have always been interested in it. Both of these articles, in my opinion, describe Donald Trump and his inner workings quite well.
The next four years will be a classic textbook example of the power of a president backed by a populist mandate (one-half of 30% of all voters) supported by a conservative Senate and House. This week, Trump addresses congress in a State Of The Union address and it will prove interesting. What will the opinion of the congressional leaders be (as a consensus)? By now they see Trumps public persona...but will he be able to unite them through this speech or will everyone simply see more of Il Ego strutting on stage?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 506 of 4573 (800602)
02-26-2017 10:55 AM
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02-26-2017 10:46 AM


Re: Upcoming State Of The Union speech
jar writes:
Responsibility for damages done under a Trump Administration falls squarely on the Courts and US Republican Congress.
Yes, but in a way I believe we all are responsible.
I read an article this morning in The Denver Post commenting on the upcoming speech:
quote:
Michael Waldman, chief speechwriter for President Bill Clinton, said Trump can easily blow up a speech with just a few deviations from the text on his teleprompter.
Waldman said that pointed opposition from Democrats could throw Trump off his game, as well.
How will he respond when several hundred Democratic members of Congress are not giving him the love he’s hoping for from the audience? Waldman asks. There’s never been anybody who’s stood there before, who’s responded to audiences with as much extemporaneous venom.
Kall says heckling from Democrats or others in the chamber could be just the thing that energizes Trump and gives his speech extra zing.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 508 of 4573 (800606)
02-26-2017 11:05 AM
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02-26-2017 10:59 AM


Re: Upcoming State Of The Union speech
OK, you have a point. This is the one opportunity that today's Republican Party has been waiting for: A mandate. They have the opportunity to change the course of US History towards their liking. If they fail, I believe that the republican party will no longer exist in its present form. Not only that, there is a scary yet real possibility that none of us will continue to exist---Trump could well be the reason that unifies the rest of the world against the United States!
I realize I am being entirely hypothetical, but I fear that an authoritarian leader backed by generals and a bunch of redneck populists provides an attractive target for any attacks against the imperialism of America. And spending a trillion dollars to upgrade our military won't protect us.
Ever read about David and Goliath? WE are Goliath.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 562 of 4573 (801441)
03-06-2017 8:24 AM


Trump Generates His Own News
Pia Guerra's cartoon of Steve Bannon and Donald Trump has been retweeted 27,000 times!
Seriously, though...half of us think Trump is doing a great and huuuuge job making America great...wealthy...prosperous...and taking care of itself instead of the rest of the world...but I fear this strategy will come back around to bite us! If the world decides to turn on us we may find ourselves adrift in the water...without a lifeboat. Trumps International Policies Could Have Lasting Effects On Higher Education
From this story:
quote:
At the moment, the United States is the leading destination for international students, but we are losing market share. Increasingly, students are recognizing they do have choices some students may choose to go to Australia or Canada or other countries that also have excellent institutions. We may be losing them for years. If they don't come this year, they're not coming for the next four if they're an undergraduate. A decision made now by an international student could have long-term consequences for that student, for the students who would have worked with that person, and for colleges and universities across the United States.
This whole idea of "fake news" is an irony: Trump himself generates so much news that its almost akin to counter-propaganda...his supporters believe a lot of it, while the rest of us laugh about it...but to be honest, the future state of our nation and its affairs is uncertain.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

  
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Message 568 of 4573 (801577)
03-08-2017 3:35 AM
Reply to: Message 565 by jar
03-07-2017 5:23 PM


Re: From Today's Scientific American
The bright spot in all this is that the rest of the world can get along just fine without the US and in fact will be happy to see the US bow out as a developed Nation and remain on the sidelines.
How is that a bright spot?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 573 of 4573 (801770)
03-09-2017 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 569 by jar
03-08-2017 7:03 AM


Re: From Today's Scientific American
And you think that we would not fight becoming a class of exploited workers?
If necessary we will become the new terrorists and blow their stuff up for a change.
The US will never play second fiddle to any other class of people or nation. After all, they fought for years for equal pay. We too will insist on it.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 574 of 4573 (801771)
03-09-2017 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 572 by ringo
03-09-2017 12:13 PM


If You dont Let Us Be Great Again, Nobody Else Will Get To Be Great Either
Ding-Dong! The witch is dead.
You are talking about all of us. If you think this witch will die without a fight, keep in mind that we have the weapons of mass destruction and, given the option of servanthood or death, we will take the planet down with us.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 579 of 4573 (801917)
03-10-2017 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 578 by ringo
03-10-2017 10:41 AM


Re: If You dont Let Us Be Great Again, Nobody Else Will Get To Be Great Either
ringo writes:
Nice. That's what "greatness" means to you?
No. I realize its wrong thinking. Jesus would likely advise us to surrender our pride and let the crowd pass us by. I'm talking out of my basest nature. I've earned my spot in line and I won't simply let the masses ahead of me. We might not be the best and the brightest, but we sure as heck are the most powerful. At one time, our parents lived in the most prosperous country and we believe its our birthright to keep that legacy.
If we lose our national pride, we will simply be a future gardner for some foreigner.
Its a lot easier to be a bully than a patsy.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 581 of 4573 (801922)
03-10-2017 11:53 AM
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03-10-2017 11:38 AM


Re: If You dont Let Us Be Great Again, Nobody Else Will Get To Be Great Either
ring writes:
Your birthright is not just "prosperity".
I know...You are going to bring up responsibility again.
Sorry about my rant. Its irrational. I explained my feelings about it here.
This stuff hurts. You are asking a country whose dreams are unfulfilled to turn the other cheek. Now I understand how Germans felt before Hitler. Their once great empire was gone.
They owed money. Some clown from reality TV promised to make them great again.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 584 of 4573 (801925)
03-10-2017 12:10 PM
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03-10-2017 12:02 PM


Re: If You dont Let Us Be Great Again, Nobody Else Will Get To Be Great Either
So once again the rich win. Trump must be lying. There is no plan to help the middle class. Obama had a better one. So now my anger is directed at the wealthy people. Even though that is what I once aspired to be. I think I'm going neurotic.....
jar writes:
You don't get to have a say in what happens elsewhere.
Thanks for that bit of insight...Now I think I understand the extreme religious right. We may not get a say, but our God will make us great again...after all, He loves us...the leftists are the enemy and will burn in hell forever....
Lets see...rich+leftist=George Soros!! Now I have Faith figured out!!
Man I need some meds!
Edited by Phat, : added jabberwocky

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 614 of 4573 (802779)
03-20-2017 7:25 AM
Reply to: Message 549 by petrophysics1
03-04-2017 8:16 PM


Re: This is great.
Just be sure that you are worshipping God and not money.
IF There is a God, He will judge America based on our empathy for the least of these. The poor. We will not gain points by wealthy capitalist families becoming more able to make money for their grandkids future.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 615 of 4573 (802781)
03-20-2017 7:28 AM
Reply to: Message 611 by LamarkNewAge
03-18-2017 8:26 AM


Re: More echos of the Saturday Night Massacre
are you sure there is no way to disable spell check? That phone is more trouble than its worth....

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 773 of 4573 (807392)
05-02-2017 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 772 by marc9000
05-02-2017 9:01 PM


Re: Dr. Adequate dances for the news media
The media at large may well be more left oriented than center or right politically. In my opinion, they refuse to publish right wing news because they do not want to fall into the trap of giving free publicity.
I don't see that the media is overly biased....I only see that they are leaning more towards the political Left rather than the Right because they are educated, and most educated people are liberals. Most business school graduates are conservatives.
We have shifted politically as a nation and are now concentrating on making money and allies who will help that interest. Globalism is a real fear for many people.
Global Corporate industrialism is being presented as an alternative.
Economics Trumps Politics. (Pun Intended)

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 803 of 4573 (808765)
05-12-2017 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 793 by vimesey
05-11-2017 4:57 PM


Re: Genuinely delusional
I read that whole interview. Trump explains the benefits that his economic strategy has for helping business. I am concerned what this will all mean for organized labor. Are they going to force us to renegotiate for lower wages in order to keep our unions?
Point being that Trumps policies are actually attempting to turn big business into one huge mega union.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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