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bluegenes
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Message 991 of 1004 (808665)
05-12-2017 5:57 AM
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05-12-2017 4:45 AM


Hitler's soul.
Dredge writes:

Yet there are Hitler quotes that indicate he hated Christianity. So it's a very confusing picture. Anyhow, there always exists the distinct possibility that he used pro-Christian rhetoric to appeal to a Christiian audience. Oldest trick in the book.

Perhaps you should hedge your bets, and only pray for his soul every other day.


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Message 992 of 1004 (808668)
05-12-2017 7:52 AM
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05-12-2017 5:57 AM


Re: Hitler's soul... was racist
Hitler was a racist and tried to literally and manually inbred 'superiority' into the human race, and xterminate all other humans.

This easily supported by the theory of evolution which states that branching brings on superior or more viable species from the original species or KIND.

SEE Evolution is a Racist Doctrine.

Do note, that this thread title should have been
Aethists/Evolutionists can NOT rationally explain Morals... for remember this is an evolution board and not an atheist board, even though atheistic comments abound.


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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Chiroptera
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Message 993 of 1004 (808683)
05-12-2017 8:54 AM
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05-12-2017 4:50 AM


Re: Evolutionists can not explain morals
To illustrate this point, if there were no religions, a great many people would still consider homosexuality to be immoral; likewise, many people would still consider abortion immoral.

We know that. The question is: so what? What is your point?

Edited by Chiroptera, : Typo.


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Message 994 of 1004 (808690)
05-12-2017 9:09 AM
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05-12-2017 8:54 AM


Re: Evolutionists can not explain morals
Hi Chiroptera, meaning bat.....

Religions like evolution do destroy moral fiber, with their luck and chance philosphy... especially when they declare that they have no responsibility for what they write and discover and implement and force into childrens minds.

Yes, agreed the religion's of man are basically about self and selfishness and the appearnace of holiness, and about them appearing to be more righteous than others. Its about racism, and hoping and praying their superiority gets appreciated from those below them. Religion is a curse, which is why the religionists killed Jesus... why because Jesus was against religionists and their vile morality.


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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Message 995 of 1004 (808695)
05-12-2017 9:30 AM
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05-12-2017 4:50 AM


Re: Evolutionists can not explain morals
Dredge writes:

To illustrate this point, if there were no religions, a great many people would still consider homosexuality to be immoral; likewise, many people would still consider abortion immoral.

Which of course is fine. No one cares whether you consider something immoral. You are perfectly free to feel that way.

What people object to is you trying to impose the concept of legality rather than morality.

Thank God legality and morality are not synonyms.


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Message 996 of 1004 (808722)
05-12-2017 11:10 AM
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05-12-2017 4:50 AM


Re: Evolutionists can not explain morals
As I pointed out in an earlier post, if no Gods or gods exist, some of the morality invented by religions is as valid as any non-religious morality, because it is still the morality of human beings.

Why? Why can't one human based morality be superior to another?

To illustrate this point, if there were no religions, a great many people would still consider homosexuality to be immoral; likewise, many people would still consider abortion immoral.

And? For quite a while now there has been a humanistic argument for homosexuals having equal rights. In fact, philosophers have been basing human rights on humanistic and areligious arguments for quite a while now.


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Message 997 of 1004 (808738)
05-12-2017 12:10 PM
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05-12-2017 4:45 AM


Dredge writes:

Yet there are Hitler quotes that indicate he hated Christianity. So it's a very confusing picture. Anyhow, there always exists the distinct possibility that he used pro-Christian rhetoric to appeal to a Christiian audience. Oldest trick in the book.


Hitler was a politician - and not he most honest one in history. You can't believe everything he said.

If he talked about Christianity to appeal to Christians, then he probably also talked about evolution to appeal to evolutionists. So if you want to reject that he was a "True Christian", in all honesty you also have to let go of the claim that he was a "True Evolutionist".


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Chiroptera
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Message 998 of 1004 (808740)
05-12-2017 1:01 PM
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05-12-2017 9:09 AM


Re: Evolutionists can not explain morals
Thanks, Davidjay.

I don't think that gets to the point Dredge is trying to make. But who knows? I thought I got his point, but he's been pretty much ignored my responses. He's pretty reticent about explaining himself clearly.


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Message 999 of 1004 (808848)
05-14-2017 5:19 AM
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05-12-2017 12:10 PM


Good point.
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Message 1000 of 1004 (808849)
05-14-2017 5:23 AM
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Re: Evolutionists can not explain morals
Chiroptera writes:

He's pretty reticent about expalining himself clearly


Dredge is waiting for more pearls of wisdom from Chicko.
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Message 1001 of 1004 (811131)
06-05-2017 10:57 AM
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05-14-2017 5:23 AM


Re: Religionists killed Jesus
Agreed Chiroptera...... as we must distinguish between the religionists that killed Jesus because He revealed their evil motivations, and the religion or love lifestyle that Jesus started anew with His 1st Coming.....

For the law and holiness religionists were confounded by the Lord at every step and so they had to put a plant cal;led Judas among His disciples to try and catch a time and place to capture HIM, and then buy false witnesses to try and accuse HIm... And it worked.... Jesus knew scriptures and the meaning of scriptures, so the Sanhedrin couldnt convict HIM so sent HIM to the political leader, Pilate. Pilate got him killed because of the religionists insistence and false witnesses. What was the accussation, He said, Destroy this temple in three days I shall raise it up. The politically aligned and submiisive religionists lied and misrepresented what Jesus said about His Body's Temple, and they said He was a terrorist going to destroy their stone temple on the Temple Mount.

People get very upset when they find out the truth about our Body's Temple and mathematics and they dont want to hear the prophecy or math or the great DESIGN of our TEMPLE. As before so today, no difference.

The religious always want to destroy the opposition, and how much more the opposition that knows the truth (from Jesus)

IMHO

David


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Message 1002 of 1004 (817599)
08-18-2017 2:23 PM
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04-28-2017 10:13 AM


Evolutionists can indeed explain morals
In evolutionary theory, getting your genes represented in subsequent generations is the basic game. If you sacrifice yourself to ensure the survival of your children, then that gets your genes into subsequent generations. If you sacrifice yourself to ensure the survival of your siblings' children, then the outcome is the same -- HINT: they share your genes. Same for your cousins and their children. Same for members of your tribe and for the tribe itself, since tribes have traditionally been peopled by kin. Even when the concept of tribe has been extended beyond kinship, working to preserve the tribe also helps ensure the survival of your kin who depend on that tribe for survival -- that is also an evolutionary basis for morality.

In contrast, in Christianity there is no basis for morality because it serves no other purpose than to appease an arbitrary and angry god. And because your entire theology is about seeking eternal reward and avoiding eternal punishment, there is no basis in Christianity for altruism and it is impossible for a Christian to be altruistic because of his theology. However, since a Christian is a human who has the same evolutionary history of normals, a Christian can indeed engage in altruistic acts only because he is human, not because he's a Christian.

Edited by dwise1, : Changed sub-title


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Message 1003 of 1004 (821803)
10-12-2017 8:01 PM
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02-02-2017 3:56 PM


A moral person is a person that understands that the universe does not revolve around their ego.

A civilized society is a society whose laws do not revolve around any one person or group of people.
The more a society treats everyone as equals the more civilized it is.


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Message 1004 of 1004 (821902)
10-14-2017 3:18 PM
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10-12-2017 8:01 PM


Very true.

That's the exact reason I have for not wanting a Christian Theocracy ruling the land.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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