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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 739 days) Posts: 2236 Joined: |
I was wondering what his book was called, and mother of all coincidences, his book was recommended on the final page of the May 14, 2017 book review magazine of the Nyt .
Page 39 is Bookends, "What book would you recommend for America's current political moment? " The first of 2 recommended older books , with the half page review, was Dark Money (by Jane Mayer ) recommended by Francine Prose. The second and final recommended book was a recommendation by Thomas Mallon. The title was "There are flashes of recognition in H. R. Haldeman's chronicle of Richard Nixon's presidency. "
quote: A review of A Man and His Presidents by Felzenberg ( on William F Buckley ) was a combo front page review story (with the Klein review of Buchanan book) under the title All The Right Moves. The front page reviews were the start before each book got the review continued on an entire page (32 for Buchanan''s book and all of 33 for Felzenberg's book on Buckley ) The Buckley book review failed to make mention of the CIA operations of Buckley in 1952. ( no mention of the CIA in any reviews ). Amazing since Buckley let it slip in 1973(?) that he was in the CIA, during a party. He said he was, barred by E Howard Hunt while in the agency, in a monumental slip during a casual conversation. Had E Howard Hunt not been in the news as the lead Plumber arrested during Watergate, then Buckley might have gotten away with the slip, and his party chatting chaps might not have paid attention. But the fact that Hunt recruited him to do operations in Mexico became known. He said he left the CIA in 1952. Hunt remained but said he left the CIA just before Watergate. His son John Hunt taped his deathbed confession to the CIA involvement in the JFK assassination which he was a major operator in. He said Watergate was a CIA operation. To get JFK files.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
The Guardian reports that Trump shared highly classified intelligence with the Russians at that meeting last week.
"The report said that while Trump did not describe the specific source used to gather the intelligence, he provided highly classified details, apparently connected to an Isis plot related to the use of laptops on board passenger aircraft." Without more details, it's difficult to know how serious a problem Trump may have created, so I agree with Senator McCain: "Senior Republican senator John McCain told CNN that 'if it's true, it’s obviously disturbing.' But he cautioned: 'Let's wait and see what this was all about first.'" But I wonder: what do the Trumpistas think about this? This seems to be a bit more serious than Clinton's emails. Are they now going to start screaming, "LOCK HIM UP!"?Freedom is merely privilege extended, unless enjoyed by one and all. — Billy Bragg
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9 |
But I wonder: what do the Trumpistas think about this? This seems to be a bit more serious than Clinton's emails. Are they now going to start screaming, "LOCK HIM UP!"? Of course not. He's the president so for HIM there is no such thing as "highly classified intelligence."What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2296 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Chiroptera writes:
Well, when the President does it, that means it is not illegal.
But I wonder: what do the Trumpistas think about this? This seems to be a bit more serious than Clinton's emails. Are they now going to start screaming, "LOCK HIM UP!"?
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jar Member (Idle past 395 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But isn't Uncle Vladimir our ally just like Uncle Joe?
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Percy Member Posts: 22394 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Inquiring minds want to know.
I thought I'd be posting more often to this thread, but the disappointments piled one upon another so rapidly that I couldn't keep up. It's a new screw up every day. The latest is that Trump Shared Classified Data With Russians. It just doesn't end. What we have is an incompetent and autocratic White House unfamiliar with handling the reins of government. --Percy
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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He's the president so for HIM there is no such thing as "highly classified intelligence." He's Trump so for him there's no such thing as intelligence.Freedom is merely privilege extended, unless enjoyed by one and all. — Billy Bragg
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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Well, when the President does it, that means it is not illegal. Same NYT article Percy linked to:
Mr. Trump’s disclosure does not appear to have been illegal the president has the power to declassify almost anything. 'Course, that's "the power to declassify almost anything," not "blurt out anything you want to whoever you want when you feel like showing off." I would imagine that declassifying something requires a process; at a minimum, drawing up a legal document, signing it, and filing it with the appropriate agency. Something that requires a little bit of time and thought, giving the appropriate people a chance to weigh in on it. But Trump isn't a Democrat and his name isn't Clinton, so I suppose it's all good.Freedom is merely privilege extended, unless enjoyed by one and all. — Billy Bragg
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Percy writes:
He was elected BECAUSE he was an outsider. What we have is an incompetent and autocratic White House unfamiliar with handling the reins of government. His campaign slogan might as well have been, "Let's hire a pilot who doesn't know how to fly the plane." And the American electorate chanted, "Good answer! Good answer!"
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Taq Member Posts: 9975 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7
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Percy writes: It just doesn't end. What we have is an incompetent and autocratic White House unfamiliar with handling the reins of government. It is a bit self serving when the party full of the incompetents is the one who says to vote for them because the government is incompetent. For example, they will run on the idea that government is incapable of handling healthcare, so you are better off on your own. To prove themselves right, they screw up healthcare. Until people wake up and figure out that there is only one popular political party who is trying to do good by the American people, we will continue to see incompetence in government. Apparently, there are tons of conservatives who are willing to lose affordable access to healthcare just to have an orange man yell out "Radical Islamic Terrorism" at the local tractor pull.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
What we have is an incompetent and autocratic White House unfamiliar with handling the reins of government. Trump is a narcissist and an idiot. He literally does not know any better, and his personality is such that he seems not be able to seek help. Further, he seems to have no sense of how unprepared he really is. Unfortunately, he's also, quite literally the most powerful man in the world. So Trump cannot help but f' up. Mistakes like these and even larger ones are going to continue to happen. Those screw ups are funny when he is making mistakes involving things like civil war history or how many electoral votes he won last November. Heck, even this Russia screw up is a minor snafu.[1] What is less excusable is how the senior members of his party cover for his screw ups. Those folks actually do know better. Not a one of them is exercising the least bit of leadership because apparently no amount of Trump screw ups alienate the base, and most Republicans are in gerrymandered seats and only fear to lose in a primary rather than an actual election. Trump's popularity is still around 40%, meaning that only independents and democratic voters are showing the slightest doubt about the man.
It just doesn't end. No, it does not end. I expect things will get worse. ABE: [1] Maybe a bigger snafu than I was thinking. Apparently, the intelligence at issue is something that one of our allies shared with us. The info was not ours to share. Still seeing lots of denial from Republicans like McConnell and Hatch. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
And the American electorate chanted, "Good answer! Good answer!" Well, only if the American electorate can be characterized by how less than even a plurality voted.
Added by edit: Nonetheless, good point. I might steal this. Edited by Chiroptera, : No reason given.Freedom is merely privilege extended, unless enjoyed by one and all. — Billy Bragg
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Maybe a bigger snafu than I was thinking. Apparently, the intelligence at issue is something that one of our allies shared with us. The info was not ours to share. Yeah, that's what makes this so serious. According to the news, this intel came from an important ally which didn't want us to share it; we hadn't even shared this info with our other, real allies. Reports say that Trump may have given the Russians enough information to let them know who this source is and an estimate of their intelligence gathering activities. There's the possibility that it will be more difficult for our intelligences services to get cooperation from other countries' intelligence services. When I first read this, I just thought this would be a funny tweak against the "Lock her up" nuts. But this may actually be a very, very serious issue.Freedom is merely privilege extended, unless enjoyed by one and all. — Billy Bragg
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Taq Member Posts: 9975 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
NoNukes writes: ABE: [1] Maybe a bigger snafu than I was thinking. Apparently, the intelligence at issue is something that one of our allies shared with us. The info was not ours to share. Still seeing lots of denial from Republicans like McConnell and Hatch.
This also speaks to a much broader problem. Just a few months ago it was reported that US intelligence organizations were holding back information from Trump because they were afraid he would just blurt it out. It seems their fears were well founded. We have a President who has so little self control that he will out important intelligence assets and partners just to brag to our enemies of how wonderful his briefings are. This was after Putin called Trump and asked him to meet with his foreign secretary and ambassador, about which Trump stated that he couldn't say no to Putin. So we have a weak President who can't say no to Putin, and then blurts out random pieces of sensitive intelligence because he can't help himself. Buckle up folks, it's going to get bumpy.
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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 739 days) Posts: 2236 Joined: |
I got the feeling that Trump was considering an argument line that he, on behalf of the American people, would try hard to get his eyes on all the classified secrets of the CIA & FBI, even if they want to hide it from the people ( or those looking out for them, such as Trump himself ).
It looked like he was teasing the fired FBI director with the dreaded Trump Tapes. Trump wire-taps the FBI and threatened to give it nightmares in its sleep with the bad dream of Trump arguing over classified material being kept from the people's representatives. Perhaps next year. This isn't the time it seems. (BTW I just read in the New York Times that Roger Stone is a day-long guest host for Alex Jones every single week! The intelligence agencies clearly are crapping out their pie holes in constant fear of Trump. )
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