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Author Topic:   How do you define the word Evolution?
Dr Adequate
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Message 619 of 936 (807604)
05-04-2017 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 610 by Dredge
05-04-2017 6:14 AM


Re: If Not, What?
I can make such a claim and I just did. DNA is an instruction manual for building a machine. A human machine is much more complex than an amoeba machine, therefore much more information is needed in the human's instruction manual.
What makes you suppose that the amount of information needed is the same as the amount of information present?

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Message 651 of 936 (807882)
05-06-2017 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 646 by CRR
05-06-2017 2:03 AM


Re: Where are we now?
Darwinsim IS the theory of common descent. Variation, adaptation, and natural selection all were recognised before Charles Darwin.
So was common descent, by some people.
But, as I have pointed out, before Darwin people didn't understand variation and natural selection. They thought of natural selection as being conservative and keeping a check on variation, not as directional and producing adaptation.
So that was one of Darwin's contributions: the development of the theory of evolution. The other was to amass a lot of evidence for the fact of evolution and for how much of a role it had played in the history of life.
Darwinism is quite a good name for the principle of common descent combined with the theory of evolution. But to say that it "IS the theory of common descent" and to actually exclude natural selection from it is silly; besides which we already have a phrase meaning common descent. It's "common descent".
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Message 675 of 936 (809194)
05-16-2017 7:10 PM
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05-16-2017 6:23 PM


Re: Part of the problem?
Wrong (see post # 673). And you've obviously missed the irony here - your messiah, Charles Darwin, died in the nineteenth century, yet you see no problem in quoting him!
Havin' a little competition with yourself there to see what's the dumbest thing you can write?

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Message 683 of 936 (810157)
05-24-2017 9:56 AM
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05-24-2017 7:37 AM


Re: Pelycodus
Your link doesn't work, can you fix it? Thanks.

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Message 700 of 936 (810216)
05-25-2017 2:05 PM
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05-24-2017 7:37 AM


Re: Pelycodus
Even with artificial insemination I have read that a Chihuahua mother will spontaneously abort. However they are considered the same species.
Why are different breeds of dogs all considered the same species ...
It's curiously contingent, isn't it? Suppose we found Great Danes and Chihuahuas in the wild, and no other breeds of dog to make them into a ring species. Then we would certainly consider them different species, as they would be by any conceivable definition.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 811 of 936 (813553)
06-28-2017 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 806 by Faith
06-28-2017 10:14 AM


Re: Polyploidy -- evolution by doubling the genome
Polyploidy sounds like anything but beneficial to an organism. The fact that it can't interbreed with nonpolyploids is sure evidence that it has nothing to do with speciation but only genetic dysfunction
Inability to interbreed is what speciation is, Faith.
I've probed it logically dozens of times
You can still make me laugh out loud. Don't ever change ... by, for example, learning anything.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 818 of 936 (813595)
06-29-2017 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 816 by Faith
06-28-2017 4:58 PM


Re: Polyploidy -- evolution by doubling the genome
I guess you guys just can't see how laughable the idea is that inability to interbreed is the definition of speciation. The usual situation must be a condition of genetic reduction to depletion which in itself could be the cause of inability to interbreed, just by genetic mismatch, the furthest possible thing from anything deserving the term "speciation." It's really astonishing how you all go on talking about absurdities with a straight face.
Well, set us straight. I'd have said that when a polyploid hybrid between Helianthus annuus and Helianthus petiolaris is able to breed with others of its kind but not with either of its parent species, this constitutes the production of a new species. But if it is not, then pray tell us, Faith, which old species does it belong to, and by what criterion?
Oh, and "probed" was a typo, I meant "proved."
I know that. The word that made me laugh was "logically", which you spelled perfectly but used incorrectly.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 900 of 936 (813882)
07-01-2017 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 889 by Faith
07-01-2017 1:13 PM


Re: Faith: Macroevolution is any new population beyond the boundary of the Kind
I've shown over and over that evolutionary processes do use up genetic diversity, that mutation gets used up like any other allele in the same processes, even if it's rarely reached there is a point at which there is nothing but fixed loci left beyond which further evolution can't happen.
No, Faith, you have said that over and over. You have never shown it. You never will. It is obvious, childish, pitiful garbage. As everyone except you knows this, perhaps you should stop basing your arguments on it, since no sane person will accept it as a premise.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 910 of 936 (813936)
07-02-2017 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 901 by Faith
07-01-2017 8:11 PM


Re: Faith: Macroevolution is any new population beyond the boundary of the Kind
Thank you for your well-reasoned, dispassionate, and superlatively objective assessment.
For that, you must consult other threads. I've already killed your dumb argument, here I'm just commenting on how its festering corpse is stinking up the joint.
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