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NoNukes
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Message 50 of 68 (786491)
06-22-2016 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Percy
06-22-2016 9:34 AM


Re: Russian Track and Field Barred from Olympics
My example was a hypothetical trying to make the problem more clear to you. But are you arguing that because the level of detail of my knowledge can go only so far that therefore it doesn't happen? Do you think that composing unanswerable detailed questions is an argument?
You quoted a policy under which an unexcused absence could result in a suspension and appeared to consider that to be problematic because tests could be missed by some particular situations you described. I stated the obvious or something which should have been obvious; namely that whether or not that policy was problematic depended on whether excuses were difficult to come by.
It turns out that actually have no idea about whether athletes can simply tell why their plans changed for the day and thus escape punishment. It would appear that there is no way to evaluate whether the policy is either problematic or burdensome. You cannot even tell me how that missed testing problem is handled now. Maybe the tester, after missing the athlete, spends time trying to follow up until he gets an acceptable answer from the athlete and his coach.
You've already asked this question and the answer hasn't changed. This is a very difficult problem with no easy solutions, but just saying, "Let's put all the burden on the athletes," is not a fair answer
I can't even get you to show me an unfair burden on the athlete for most of the problems I've tried to dig into.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

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NoNukes
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Message 53 of 68 (786636)
06-24-2016 7:37 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Percy
06-23-2016 7:35 AM


Re: Russian Track and Field Barred from Olympics
You have no grounds for thinking they're pussycats when it comes to missed tests.
Whoa, brother. I have no grounds for reaching any conclusion, and I have not done so. I've just asked some pointed, but reasonable questions of you regarding how you reached your own conclusions. Are you suggesting that I should simply take your word for things, when you haven't researched them either? Why should I do that?
You could look this stuff up yourself before going off on flights of fancy.
Again, I've just asked you some questions. I have not made any claims, or gone off on any flights of fancy.
This means that it is not easy to find acceptable excuses for Whereabouts Failures and Missed 60-minute windows.
I agree with PaulK's assessment of the evidence. You have not shown how easy or difficult it is to find acceptable excuses. All we know is that 21 such attempts were not successful.
So you're wrong again.
If it turns out that you are right about the difficulty of offering excuses then you've addressed my question. At this point, I don't think I'm in any position to be right or wrong to ask for evidence. At the time I asked the question, I'd have been happy to hear even anecdotes of students saying, I offered excuse X and got burned. But so far, we just have a relatively small number, less than 0.5 athletes per state, who have gotten caught up in the failure to provide an accepted excuse over some period of time.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 57 of 68 (792715)
10-13-2016 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Percy
10-10-2016 7:14 AM


Re: Sharapova's Suspension Reduced to 15 Months
I mentioned Ninkovich because of the disparity in the length of suspensions for drug use.
Ray Rice received a two game suspension after knocking his wife unconscious. I understand the sentiment that Sharapova's suspension is too long. But the NFL's system of punishment is a joke.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 61 of 68 (809366)
05-18-2017 4:12 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Diomedes
05-16-2017 3:33 PM


Re: Sharapova Returns to Tournament Play
FYI, she has been barred from the French Open:
Sharapova is not being barred for bad behavior. She is ineligible based on her current world ranking and requires a special invitation, or wildcard granting permission to play in the French Open. Sharapova simply has not had enough time since the end of her suspension to raise her ranking. The French open declined to make the invitation despite a large financial incentive to offer the invitation.
Of course, there is some politics involved.
British tennis divided over Maria Sharapova wildcard | Daily Mail Online
quote:
The most questionable aspect of the Sharapova decision was the simultaneous award of a wildcard to men's player Constant Lestienne, who is coming back from a ban for betting on matches.
I would expect that tournaments have nearly complete discretion in deciding to whom they want to extend wild-cards. But we can still question whether the decision was made fairly.
I've read that Martina Navratilova is among the former pros who is supportive of giving Sharapova wildcards, but I've also heard that a number of current players and former players were incensed when she received a wildcard to play in a previous tournament. Here is Pam Shriver's take (from the same article cited above):
quote:
'It has to be a popular decision in the women's locker room,' she told ESPN in reference to the French non-invitation. 'So many players who are admired and looked up to have spoken out against Sharapova. The feeling has to be that we are not going to grant special privileges to anyone, no matter how successful they have been.
She (Sharapova) needs to take a step back and reconcile that her return to major tennis is going to have to wait and not be bitter about it.'
It appears that Sharapova will need a wildcard to enter the Australian Open and Wimbledon as well.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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