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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
God is the God of science as well as everything else, like it or not.
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Taq Member Posts: 10033 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Faith writes: God is the God of science as well as everything else, like it or not. Your beliefs are irrelevant.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4409 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
God is the God of science as well as everything else, like it or not. Well, that's wrong. Science is a method of discovering how the Universe works. Your god keeps it all a secret and reveals nothing. You have deluded yourself into believing things that are clearly at odds with the evidence discovered by science that can be seen by anyone who wants to look. As I have said numerous times before, your beliefs about geology and biology and evolution are full of holes you cannot explain, thousands of holes. Science is the way to explain them.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Kindly keep the context in mind. I'm talking about how a Bible believer has to go about this, and knowing that the Bible is God's own revelation is prior to all else, so this mindless refrain about having to start from some other evidence is totally absolutely irrelevant. If God is God and the Bible is His word it would be idiotic to start with anything but His revelation. Just logic should tell you that much.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Funny how "science" has the biggest holes of all, the denial of the clear evidence of the strata and the fossils. Elephant in the room.
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Taq Member Posts: 10033 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Faith writes: I'm talking about how a Bible believer has to go about this, and knowing that the Bible is God's own revelation is prior to all else, so this mindless refrain about having to start from some other evidence is totally absolutely irrelevant. What a Bible believer has to do is irrelevant to how reality really is. If a Bible believer has to believe the Moon is made of green cheese, that doesn't force the Moon to suddenly turn into green cheese. What a believer has to do has nothing to do with what the facts are.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Can't even follow the logic I see.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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You are welcome Faith.
You of course twisted the information to fit your fantasy world. Curiously it doesn't change reality. I expected nothing else. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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If God is God and the Bible is His word it would be idiotic to start with anything but His revelation. Sure, start with it if you want. But if your interpretation of the words is completely contradicted by reality, like by the fact that we know without a doubt that the entire planet has not been covered in water since humans have been here, then you should change your interpretation if you're not willing to accept that the words say something that is wrong. Like, perhaps it was just a local flood rather than a global one. Or perhaps it is a tale that never really happened in the first place. But just tricking yourself into believing what you think you must is a serious disservice to yourself.
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Taq Member Posts: 10033 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Faith writes: Can't even follow the logic I see. Can't demonstrate the logic of your argument, I see.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4409 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Funny how "science" has the biggest holes of all, the denial of the clear evidence of the strata and the fossils. Elephant in the room. Well, that is something that you have demonstrated over and over..... that you don't know any science, while we pointed out to you obvious flaws in all of your arguments. The clear evidence of the strata and fossils is that the earth has been undergoing geological processes for billions of years while life has been evolving into the diversity we see today. The sequence of layers and fossils is impossible to have been the result of your flood. In science we don't ignore evidence because it disagrees with beliefs or your bible. When evidence disagrees with the bible, the bible is wrong, no matter what you believe.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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JonF Member (Idle past 188 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Local floods could not have deposited them without breaking them to bits.
So you agree that Leonardo was wrong about that. Why is there such certainty about what the Flood would have done as long as it contradicts what the Bible says?
Because we know a lot of how the physical world works. I certainly haven't see anyone doubt what we know about floods we've observed or left unmistakable traces in the past, or basic hydrodynamics. Got any references?
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: I'm talking about how a Bible believer has to go about this, and knowing that the Bible is God's own revelation is prior to all else, so this mindless refrain about having to start from some other evidence is totally absolutely irrelevant. Once again, that is simply wrong Faith. There are Bible believers like myself that understand that the Bible is the creation of just plain humans. But it would be idiotic to take what is written in the Bible over what is written in the rocks, the stars, biology and reality. Just reason should tell you that much. Edited by jar, : fix quotebox
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1045 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined:
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quote:So you agree that Leonardo was wrong about that. Da Vinci didn't say any fossils were deposited by local floods. He was arguing against the idea that they could have been deposited by a flood; since many of them clearly grew in situ. He was of the opinion that the whole earth was once covered by sea, but not in any short term flood. The fact that fossilised corals which show no sign of having been uprooted and deposited by any flood are found in the Alps, showed him that the Alps must have been under the sea for many years. The full book of his collected notes is available on Sacred Texts here, by the way. His thoughts on the flood and fossils are collected in Chapter 16 in the second volume.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Taq,
Taq writes: If there really was a recent global flood then the facts will lead us to that conclusion independent of the Bible. What do you base that belief on? God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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