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Author Topic:   Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.
Dredge
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Message 241 of 1311 (809304)
05-17-2017 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 235 by Taq
05-17-2017 6:11 PM


Re: a few bones
Taq writes:
peer reviewed literature
Can the cult of Darwinism be trusted to produce "peer reviewed literarure"? This is like expecting the literature produced by Jehovah's Witnesses to be peer reviewed!

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Dredge
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Message 243 of 1311 (809325)
05-17-2017 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by Taq
05-17-2017 6:04 PM


Since I am not qualified to assess your ideas in posts 4, 9, 12, 13, 17, I referred them to Chicko. He said the respective observations can just as easily be used as arguments for Intelligent Design!
Your claim that "only evolution" can explain the observations possibly constitutes the informal fallacy of the false dilemma, in philosophy-speak.

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Dredge
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Message 264 of 1311 (809634)
05-19-2017 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 245 by Dr Adequate
05-17-2017 8:54 PM


Dr Adequate writes:
Dredge appears to have gone mad ... well, madder.
A recent check-up by his psychiatrist revealed that Dredge is no madder than he was one month ago and that no change in his anti-psychotic medication was required.

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Dredge
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Message 265 of 1311 (809635)
05-19-2017 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by JonF
05-17-2017 9:25 PM


Unforunately, there was a breakdown in psychomosotic transfer between Chicko and myself when discussing this matter. Chicko explained that this was due to the fact that I am not qualified to understand the science he offered. If you want to come to Australia and commune with Chicko yourself, you are quite welcome to - if he deems you worthy of communication, that is. And whatever you do, don't jump the fence to get closer to him - he's a big Pitbull and he bites strangers!
Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.

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Dredge
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Message 267 of 1311 (809740)
05-20-2017 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 253 by Tanypteryx
05-18-2017 3:33 PM


Re: Useful applications of evolutionary theory and processes
Nice try, but all you're describing is microevolution. A creationist biologist could potentially tackle any task applied biology throws at him because applied biology operates only at the level of microevolution. For all intents and purposes, macroevolution exists only in the La La Land of theorectical biology; it's an irrelevance to real-world biology.

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Dredge
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Message 268 of 1311 (809741)
05-20-2017 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by Taq
05-17-2017 6:24 PM


Taq writes:
Can you show me another explanation?
I can't, but Chicko could. Or you could ask the creationist scientists at CMI or AIG; I bet they could shed some light. Why not write to them and find out? Seriously.
No, on second thoughts, don't do that - they might make too much sense and the next thing you know is, you've become a Bible-bashing Jesus-freak creationist loon.
Besides, you should know that in science a theory is accepted only until a better one comes along. What you consider today to be the "only explanation", might in 1000 years time be considered hopelessly primitive and unenlightened.

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Dredge
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Message 270 of 1311 (809743)
05-20-2017 6:28 PM
Reply to: Message 248 by New Cat's Eye
05-18-2017 8:52 AM


New Cat's Eye writes:
if we didn't have the theory of evolution to explain it all.
sigh ... Here we go again - another Darwinist mistaking theory for reality. Your kind are so hopelessly brainwashed that you can't even tell the difference between a theory and a practical use for a theory. This is Scientismistic delusion. Bizarre stuff.

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Dredge
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Message 326 of 1311 (810006)
05-22-2017 8:36 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by New Cat's Eye
05-21-2017 11:08 AM


NewCat'sEye writes:
jerk
That's not a very nice thing to say.
dumbass
That's not a very nice thing to say - nor even remotely accurate - someone who took a mere twelve years to complete seven years of primary school is not a "dumbass" (esp not in Australia Land, where asses don't exist).
I'm not even an atheist.
Scientism = "excessive belief in the power of scientific knowledge and techniques" - a dictionary definition.
Many Christians suffer from scientism - they're known as theistic evolutionists.

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Dredge
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Message 327 of 1311 (810007)
05-22-2017 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by Tanypteryx
05-17-2017 8:13 PM


Re: a few bones
Tanypteryx writes:
I think this is a lie. Can you document this?
First we need to agree on the definition of "many".
You must have pulled this one right out of your ass.
I'm not in possession of an ass, and as far as I know there are none of these creatures in Australia Land (apparently there was one in Alice Springs in the 1950's, but it died). There are many horses and camels in Australia Land - and even lamas - but there is not one, solitary ass. There are also many rabbits here - from which the ass evolved - but a rabbit is not an ass, so it doesn't count.
Even if I did own an ass, I would have no idea of idea of how to pull a sentence of English-style words out of it. A veterinary surgeon might, but then that would cost too much money.

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Dredge
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Message 328 of 1311 (810011)
05-22-2017 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by RAZD
05-20-2017 7:11 PM


RAZD writes:
Can you define what you think "macroevolution" is?
macroevolution = microevolution + millions of years.
But life on earth is only 5778 years old - not enuf time for macroevolution to occur (assuming it occurs at all).
Microevolution might be compared to a merry-go-round - there is motion and change, but it doesn't actually go anywhere.

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Dredge
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Message 329 of 1311 (810012)
05-22-2017 8:49 PM


I've heard that there are no transitionals between invertebrates and vertebrates. Is this true?

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Dredge
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From: Australia
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Message 330 of 1311 (810013)
05-22-2017 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by RAZD
05-21-2017 4:27 PM


Re: maybe we should cholera a new vaccine ...
RAZD writes:
evolution is useful in dealing with diseases like flu
I agree - but there's no need to believe in any of that useless stuff about humans and apes having a common ancestor, or whales evolving from a mouse (or was it a rabbit?); great things can be achieved in science by just sticking to the reality of here and now.

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
From: Australia
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Message 335 of 1311 (810020)
05-22-2017 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 316 by Taq
05-22-2017 10:42 AM


Taq writes:
Why don't you write them and get that expalnation?
It would be pointless because I'm not qualified to understand that level of biology. Chicko's explanation (via psychomosis) failed for the same reason. I would have to spend four years at university getting a degree in biology to understand what you're on about, I suspect.

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Dredge
Member (Idle past 94 days)
Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 338 of 1311 (810024)
05-22-2017 9:22 PM
Reply to: Message 333 by Tanypteryx
05-22-2017 9:03 PM


Re: maybe we should cholera a new vaccine ...
I can believe that life on earth is only 5778 years old and still become a competent biologist who could potentially tackle any task in applied biology. This would prove a) creationists are not anti-science, and b) the "information" that humans and apes had a common ancestor is as useless as a fairy tale.

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Dredge
Member (Idle past 94 days)
Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 340 of 1311 (810026)
05-22-2017 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 337 by jar
05-22-2017 9:18 PM


jar writes:
the theory of evolution is the only explanation for the variety of life seen in the past or in the present.
Your lack of imagination and/or close-mindedness is not a valid argument.

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