quote:...the six-ton, 102-year-old statue of Beauregard astride a horse was lifted off the pedestal to be crated and stored at an undisclosed warehouse.
A warehouse. This is a lost opportunity to put context around the statue. Now the statue will be forgotten. Or perhaps it will be purchased by white supremacists to use in promoting their agenda.
A warehouse. This is a lost opportunity to put context around the statue. Now the statue will be forgotten. Or perhaps it will be purchased by white supremacists to use in promoting their agenda.
It could also be donated to a Civil War museum that can put all of these statues and relics in their proper cultural and historical context.
Disregarding peoples' feelings on a matter and replacing it with an assumption that they are just masking their hate, is a sign of you improperly dealing with your own hate.
But it's all too easy: You don't have to actually think about and address their position if you can just brush them aside with "Nah man, they just hate black people."
To the man that waited on me at the Starbucks down on Main, I hope you understand When I put on that t-shirt, the only thing I meant to say is I'm a Skynyrd fan The red flag on my chest somehow is like the elephant in the corner of the south And I just walked him right in the room Just a proud rebel son with an ‘ol can of worms Lookin' like I got a lot to learn but from my point of view
I'm just a white man comin' to you from the southland Tryin' to understand what it's like not to be I'm proud of where I'm from but not everything we've done And it ain't like you and me can re-write history Our generation didn't start this nation We're still pickin' up the pieces, walkin' on eggshells, fightin' over yesterday And caught between southern pride and southern blame
They called it Reconstruction, fixed the buildings, dried some tears We're still siftin' through the rubble after a hundred-fifty years I try to put myself in your shoes and that's a good place to begin But it ain't like I can walk a mile in someone else's skin
‘Cause I'm a white man livin' in the southland Just like you I'm more than what you see I'm proud of where I'm from but not everything we've done And it ain't like you and me can re-write history Our generation didn't start this nation And we're still paying for the mistakes That a bunch of folks made long before we came And caught between southern pride and southern blame
Dear Mr. White Man, I wish you understood What the world is really like when you're livin' in the hood Just because my pants are saggin' doesn't mean I'm up to no good You should try to get to know me, I really wish you would Now my chains are gold but I'm still misunderstood I wasn't there when Sherman's March turned the south into firewood I want you to get paid but be a slave I never could Feel like a new fangled Django, dodgin' invisible white hoods So when I see that white cowboy hat, I'm thinkin' it's not all good I guess we're both guilty of judgin' the cover not the book I'd love to buy you a beer, conversate and clear the air But I see that red flag and I think you wish I wasn't here
I'm just a white man (If you don't judge my do-rag) Comin' to you from the southland (I won't judge your red flag) Tryin' to understand what it's like not to be
I'm proud of where I'm from (If you don't judge my gold chains) But not everything we've done (I'll forget the iron chains) It ain't like you and me can re-write history (Can't re-write history baby)
Oh, Dixieland (The relationship between the Mason-Dixon needs some fixin') I hope you understand what this is all about (Quite frankly I'm a black Yankee but I've been thinkin' about this lately) I'm a son of the new south (The past is the past, you feel me) And I just want to make things right (Let bygones be bygones) Where all that's left is southern pride (RIP Robert E. Lee but I've gotta thank Abraham Lincoln for freeing me, know what I mean) It's real, it's real It's truth
Or perhaps it will be purchased by white supremacists to use in promoting their agenda.
Weren't most of these monuments originally erected by white supremacists to promote their agenda? If so, how do you "contextualize" that? Put up a big sign in front of it - big enough and positioned so you can't get a good picture of the monument without the sign - that says, "This monument was erected during a time when the unjustified oppression of black citizens was intensifying, to commemorate a society that thought owning other human beings as if they were property was part of an advanced civilization"?
Freedom is merely privilege extended, unless enjoyed by one and all. — Billy Bragg
to commemorate a society that thought owning other human beings as if they were property was part of an advanced civilization
Chiroptera!! That would be so unfair. White supremacists of every era have a right to their heroes and they deserve to celebrate whoever they wish, right in the middle of town. How dare you suggest hang a sign condemning the ancestors of the Daughters of the Confederacy?
[sarcasm off]
The current intent is not to put keep these statues in a warehouse. New Orleans has already received a number of requests for the statues. A couple of weeks in a warehouse is no big deal. These things have been eyesores for decades.
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Or perhaps it will be purchased by white supremacists to use in promoting their agenda.
Haters are going to hate. But maybe they won't get to promote their agenda in the middle of the town square.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
Now they're talking about removing the confederate monument in Forrest Park in St. Louis.
In my opinion, this statute presents the least controversy and offense of the ones we've looked at. It's also enormous and places to put the statue after moving it may be difficult to find. The article indicates that there is an offer from a museum to take it, but that offer has some issues.
What's the torch for?
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
quote:City officials announced late Thursday that an unspecified water feature will replace the Lee statue, and an American flag will fly where the Davis fixture once stood. Nonprofits and government agencies will eventually be allowed to submit plans that would put the statues on private property. City Park officials will decide what will replace the Beauregard statue.
quote:As for the statues themselves, the city is taking proposals from nonprofits and governmental entities, with the aim that they be put in their proper historical context from a dark period of American history.
As for the statues themselves, the city is taking proposals from nonprofits and governmental entities, with the aim that they be put in their proper historical context from a dark period of American history.
So not lost..
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
As for the statues themselves, the city is taking proposals from nonprofits and governmental entities, with the aim that they be put in their proper historical context from a dark period of American history.
So not lost..
It's a good story, obviously I don't believe there will be follow through.
No matter what happens to the original statues, for the sake of historical preservation I think there should be plaques at the original locations explaining that there used to be a statues there and how and in what way they became controversial. Their erection deserved preservation as a record of history, and so does their removal.
I think that is an important distinction. Namely, instead of an indictment of the sentiments of an entire community, it becomes more of a question about the motives of the owner of the property.
Speaking of which, according to Wikipedia, it wasn't erected in Seattle as a monument to Lenin's greatness or anything, and the residents of the neighborhood seem to think of it more ironically than as a monument extolling the virtues of totalitarian, single-party rule. I think that's another important difference.
Ss far as I know, there hasn't been any wide spread protests against it standing where it is; that is yet, in my opinion, another important difference.
Still, I can see how immigrants from eastern Europe, especially older ones, would be taken back by seeing it. It is certainly understandable that someone may protest against a statue of intolerant dictator who set up a horrible totalitarian regime.
Freedom is merely privilege extended, unless enjoyed by one and all. — Billy Bragg
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