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Author Topic:   Soracilla defends the Flood? (mostly a "Joggins Polystrate Fossils" discussion)
NosyNed
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Message 4 of 190 (80994)
01-27-2004 1:41 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Soracilla
01-26-2004 10:25 PM


Thank you for that, Soracilla. That is polite of you.

Common sense isn't

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Message 24 of 190 (152789)
10-25-2004 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by RandyB
10-25-2004 11:44 AM


You have no chance of learning
You seem to have ignored most (to all) of what Bill posted.
You have not chance of learning or convincing anyone of anything with that approach. You were blown out of the water and, somehow, didn't seem to notice.

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Message 41 of 190 (157077)
11-07-2004 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by RandyB
11-07-2004 9:18 PM


The flood
If God said there was a global flood, then there WAS a global flood -- and there is also evidence of that: such as quoted below. Whether or not you choose to accept that evidence is up to you.
And God spoke in the book He wrote. In the rocks of this earth. There He has made it clear that there has been no universal flood. If the interpretation of a book written and translated and interpreted by man is in disagreement with that then the interpretation (etc.) must be wrong.
There was no question that there was a flood and there is no question that it was a universal flood 1.
It seems that your source is a bit careless with you use of quotation marks and haven't closed them. Is the above words of your source or that of those who did the research you reference.
There is, of course, a known source for the flood in that reference. It was the melting of the ice sheets. Since it is NOT shown to be everywhere or even at the same time for when there are releases of fresh water it is NOT evidence for a universal flood.
, surface salinities were...reduced by about ten percent."
Clearly you have a problem right here. Is this the amount that you would expect the salinity to be reduced by a global "flood" that raises all the oceans to cover all that land?
All the rest I don't understand. What is the point?
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Message 113 of 190 (191552)
03-14-2005 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by edge
03-13-2005 3:40 PM


Old earth based on Coal
You know, Randy, this would be a good place to support your argument with a reference. Give us a reference in which a German, English, Canadian or American lawyer or geologist uses coal to convince the rest of the world that the earth is old.
It is possible that such a thing occurred. It wouldn't be surprising to have RandyB refer back to attempts to figure out the age of the earth at the end of the 17th century. At that time all sorts of clues were used to try and arrive at an estimate.
Th idea that this is relevant today is as good as other ideas he comes up with.

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Message 120 of 190 (191851)
03-16-2005 12:26 AM
Reply to: Message 119 by edge
03-15-2005 11:29 PM


Re: Old earth based on Coal - does it matter?
Does it really matter, edge?
A number of ways were used back then to try to estimate the earth's age.
Since we can now do an absolute age with processes that occur at a measureable rate (radiometric dating) the old ways of judgeing are long obsolete.
The fact that someone considers this an issue to bring up shows some pretty strange thinking to me. We by passed all that long ago but RandyB's source says:
quote:
The theory of coal formation is central to the Age of the Earth debate
How could this rough estimate technique possibly be "central" to the debate more than half a century after it was completly obsoleted?

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Message 128 of 190 (192470)
03-19-2005 9:52 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by RandyB
03-19-2005 6:45 AM


Re: Old earth based on Coal - does it matter?
It was the very issue of Coal, and how it was formed, that caused men like Buffon, and Hutton, and Lyell, to speculated that the earth was many 1000's (or millions) of years old, for the simple reason that, if each coal seam was the result of a Forest, then there would not be enought time for that (100+) forests to grow and be buried within the 6,000 year time frame of Genesis.
So what? This is just one of many things that lead early geologists(or doing science that would become geology) to suspect an old earth. It is interesting history.
These examinations only lead to estimates which have, as noted, been superceded by much better data.
As noted they are now historically interesting and no longer "central" to the debate.
As for your source:
That is getting too far off topic here. Take it to the dates and dating forum as a new topic if you really want to defend a young earth.

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Message 150 of 190 (192932)
03-21-2005 12:48 AM
Reply to: Message 149 by RandyB
03-20-2005 10:31 PM


Old earth based on Coal - reference
Since you have already translated it could you just quote the relevant passages. Then you can explain why this reference is about a century after the debate got going.
Perhaps though it is time to get this thread back just to the Joggins case.
Let's try to stick to the topic and if you think you have something useful in this reference add a short note and I will start a thread on 'coal' or you may.

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Message 166 of 190 (193524)
03-22-2005 7:42 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by JonF
03-22-2005 7:14 PM


Re: Old earth based on Coal - reference
Is the coal question settled one way or the other?
It doesn't appear to me that it is.

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