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Author Topic:   Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.
Boof
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Message 301 of 1311 (809878)
05-21-2017 11:31 PM
Reply to: Message 299 by Faith
05-21-2017 10:30 PM


Re: Pelycodus and typical evo delusions
Faith writes:
I suspect the order is an illusion...
Yep - you can walk from one end of the Adelaide Geosyncline to the other, 800+km of sediments and not see a single fossil apart from some stromatalites and maybe some very rare Ediacara and trilobites. We can do some geochronology and find these rocks as pre-Cambrian so it makes sense that there are no fossils of more complex life. Your answer - it's an illusion!!!
I note how you stay away from the threads like the Creationist Fossil Failure and the Age Correlation threads because you simply don't have any answers to very simple observations that are easily explained by scientists.

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Message 302 of 1311 (809882)
05-22-2017 12:11 AM
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05-21-2017 10:30 PM


Re: Pelycodus and typical evo delusions
Faith, if you are going to try to suppress evidence that disproves your Flood geology, "I suspect it's an illusion" is pretty weak. Especially when the only reason for that suspicion is that it does disprove your Flood geology.
And I would also add that since there is plenty of other evidence against your Flood geology that you ignore or attempt to explain away your claim to have "proven" the Flood is an obvious falsehood. In fact it should be very obvious even to you. If you can't see that then I rather think that you have no grounds to call anyone else "deluded".

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Message 303 of 1311 (809884)
05-22-2017 1:03 AM
Reply to: Message 299 by Faith
05-21-2017 10:30 PM


Re: Pelycodus and typical evo delusions
I suspect the order is an illusion but I can't prove it so why try?
Well, in your own mind you are quite good at creating illusions, but the rest of us see the evidence as it exists in reality.
I've proved the Flood hundreds of times on other issues anyway.
That you have the brass to make that claim to us, who have watched you flame out over and over, is proof that you are completely, totally, sadly deluded.

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Message 304 of 1311 (809889)
05-22-2017 2:38 AM
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05-22-2017 1:03 AM


Re: Pelycodus and typical evo delusions
I flame out over stupidity and unfairness. The Flood has been proven over and over.
It's a laugh that you think you "see evidence" when you are misinterpreting the evidence of the fossils, rather like a reader of tea leaves, fitting it into the ToE, when the Flood meaning is far more reasonable.;

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Message 305 of 1311 (809894)
05-22-2017 3:14 AM
Reply to: Message 304 by Faith
05-22-2017 2:38 AM


Re: Pelycodus and typical evo delusions
Faith writes:
The Flood has been proven over and over.
What happens when someone finds something in science wrong is that they publish their findings. In this case - as with your other work across multiple disciplines - you're at the Nobel Prize level.
Why don't you pick your best subject and change the world?
Once you've knocked off geology, you should find it easy to crack evolution. You'd be more famous than Darwin, Newton and Einstein. Your name would go down the ages. (Well obviously not very far, given that you reckon the world ends next week - or is it the week after?)

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Message 306 of 1311 (809895)
05-22-2017 3:26 AM
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05-22-2017 3:14 AM


Re: Pelycodus and typical evo delusions
You're absolutely right, that's the way it ought to be. But being right and being recognized as right are two different things.

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Message 307 of 1311 (809899)
05-22-2017 3:36 AM
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05-22-2017 3:26 AM


Re: Pelycodus and typical evo delusions
Faith writes:
You're absolutely right, that's the way it ought to be. But being right and being recognized as right are two different things.
It's impossible to be recognised in science unless you do some. How come none of these proofs have ever appeared in a reputable journal?

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 308 of 1311 (809900)
05-22-2017 3:41 AM
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05-22-2017 3:36 AM


Re: Pelycodus and typical evo delusions
Isn't EvC a reputable journal?

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Message 309 of 1311 (809901)
05-22-2017 3:43 AM
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05-22-2017 3:41 AM


Re: Pelycodus and typical evo delusions
Double post
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 310 of 1311 (809902)
05-22-2017 3:44 AM
Reply to: Message 308 by Faith
05-22-2017 3:41 AM


Re: Pelycodus and typical evo delusions
Faith writes:
Isn't EvC a reputable journal?
I don't know what to do about this. Are you being serious?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 311 of 1311 (809903)
05-22-2017 3:45 AM
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05-22-2017 3:44 AM


Re: Pelycodus and typical evo delusions
Gosh, with all the scientific talent at EvC it ought to qualify as a reputable journal. But as I said, being right and being recognized as right, are two different things.

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Message 312 of 1311 (809911)
05-22-2017 4:17 AM
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05-22-2017 3:45 AM


Re: Pelycodus and typical evo delusions
Faith writes:
Gosh, with all the scientific talent at EvC it ought to qualify as a reputable journal.
You seriously think that people talking to each other on an internet forum are doing science? This would explain a lot.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 313 of 1311 (809917)
05-22-2017 6:44 AM
Reply to: Message 295 by Faith
05-21-2017 8:52 PM


Re: Pelycodus and hand waving delugeons
Snort
Are you pawing the ground too?
Derision. The kind with coffee coming out of your nose because something is ridiculously totally wrong.
Water sorts stuff, RAZD. It does. ...
Yes, we've had this discussion too. It sorts the heaviest densest materials at the bottom and the smallest lightest materials at the top, some taking weeks to deposit out of suspension. What it does not do is repeat layers with different density objects.
As I recall I did a rather long post on this regarding the layering of diatoms and silty clay in Lake Suigetsu ...
See Message 23 on Great debate: radiocarbon dating, Mindspawn and Coyote/RAZD. If you want to debate this I can start a new thread on it.
Message 299: I suspect the order is an illusion but I can't prove it so why try? ...
So all you are doing is hand-waving, not making an argument based on any substance beyond fantasy.
Because that is the difference between science and fantasy ... fantasy is an illusion you can't prove. The Magic Flying Flood is fantasy, never happened.
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Message 314 of 1311 (809924)
05-22-2017 9:00 AM
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05-22-2017 6:44 AM


Re: Pelycodus and hand waving delugeons
I'm not "handwaving" anything. I don't address the fossil record in general, but Pelycodus is obviously the result of the Flood.
Considering that there were no doubt many different ways the strata got laid down in the Flood -- waves, tides, precipitation from quiet water, the works -- there's no way you could come up with a formula to explain all the ways the sediments got deposited.
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Message 315 of 1311 (809944)
05-22-2017 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 267 by Dredge
05-20-2017 6:16 PM


Re: Useful applications of evolutionary theory and processes
Dredge writes:
Nice try, but all you're describing is microevolution. A creationist biologist could potentially tackle any task applied biology throws at him because applied biology operates only at the level of microevolution. For all intents and purposes, macroevolution exists only in the La La Land of theorectical biology; it's an irrelevance to real-world biology.
Posts 4, 9, 12, 13, and 17 contain applied biology in the field of macroevolution. Perhaps you could address them.

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