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NoNukes Inactive Member
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But what is the point of getting rid of the peak? At least three favorable outcomes come from lowering the peak current/power delivered. 1) The available generating capacity required is based on the peak and not the average, so a more even consumption pattern means less generating equipment or less wear and tear on the same amount of equipment. 2) Transmission losses are lowered when peaks are lowered. This is because the losses vary as the square of the current delivered rather than proportionately. 3) For generation that is based on a heat cycle of some type, efficiency is greater at lower generation levels, so less fuel is required to generate the same amount of energy if the power level (joules/second) is lower. And there can be some second order effects as well. For example shifting consumption of solar energy into daylight hours avoids energy storage losses if that technology is being used.
When it comes to renewables, you have one minute where there is a bunch of power, then a cloud comes over head and you're 'generators' are knocked out so you have to kick on a few gas turbines; once the cloud moves, you've got to shut the gas turbines back off or you overload the system. Then you're good for a while... until the next cloud. And this goes on and on all day long. If this were as hopeless as you make it sound, solar energy would never work, but of course you are ignoring energy storage technologies which can smooth out the power generation of wind and solar technology. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
sn't that what this is all about? LNA made some bogus claims about entire populations running on nothing but solar power and I challenged him to prove it. Jon, this isn't strictly about what LNA claims. In fact, LNA hasn't made a single post since his suspension about two weeks ago. You're making your own bogus claims and assumptions and it is legitimate discussion to point out your errors. You've made statements to the effect that using solar power to generate large percentages of power (and not all of our current usage) will cause us to have an economy like Kenya, and you persist in talking about 100% replacement even when you are not addressing people talking about running on nothing but solar power. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I have a job. And your job prevents the washing machine from running when you are not watching it right? So you cannot wash your closes in the wee hours of the morning when most people in your locality are asleep.
It typically does. But waiting to turn the dishwasher on until right before you leave the house is hardly going to have any impact whatsoever on peak load times. It's one of a collection of things you can do. Your dishwasher is one of the larger energy consuming loads in your house. Probably only your stove and heat/air system are larger loads. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
But clothes washer? What happens to the clothes when they're done washing? Your dirty clothes can generally sit a few hours before you wash them, so you can get the entire wash cycle off peak. Maybe not the dry cycle. Or you can wash and dry your clothes during the weekend. The problem is not insurmountable. And there other major appliances in your house can be managed to a large extent. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I'm not a big fan of the political judgment of the NYT , as they seem to have bad political judgment, and I wonder if the fuel efficiency standards are truly safe or just temporarily safe. Failing to keep up with the rest of the world in increasing gas mileage is something that US automakers do at the risk of losing chunks of the market. Making cars more fuel efficient is such a common sense, consumer driven thing to do, that surely at least some foreign manufacturers will do so. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
ICANT writes:
Isn't the earth supposed to get so hot in the future that man can not survive on it?Taq writes: Where did you hear that from? That is indeed what we expect to happen. In about 4.5 billion years when the sun leaves the main sequence and becomes a red giant. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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It does not make any difference whether we contribute global warming or not. The Sun is going to get so big it will swallow the earth about 4 billion years from now. Which means that it will cease to have water a long time before then. This has to be about the silliest argument I've heard, ICANT. Global warming will be a problem for our children and grand children. None of them have to worry about the sun getting hotter due to consuming its hydrogen and helium.
That means that the Sun is increasing in size every day which is making the earth warmer. The sun increases in size a tiny amount up until the time when the core starts burning helium. Your argument has a gross conceptual error. Here is a similar argument. You are going to die one day, so why buy any groceries this week? Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
It seems some Astronomers "BD+48 740 signs that it had recently enveloped and consumed one of its planets. Which is what the Sun will do to earth. Yes, ICANT. That is one of the possibilities for what might happen 5 billion years from now. So why even buy sunscreen this summer when we know that the oceans are going to boil away in the future? Are quote miners real people? From the article...
quote: Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Not really, it is a theory that is imposed on nature so consistently that you think you are observing it. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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