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edge
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Message 916 of 1352 (809687)
05-20-2017 10:48 AM
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05-20-2017 9:53 AM


Re: Leonardo DaVinci.. the Grand Master, Phi and Flood into depths
More harassment and no answer because evolutionists dont know about Gensis and the Flood and where the waters came from or where they went.... they are unread and ignorant.
You obviously haven't been reading all of the posts on this and other threads. Every argument you (all) make has been refuted. Some of us have gone to great lengths to explain the facts and the reasoning that go behind mainstream science. You simply deny the facts.
And yes, I do not study Genesis, because it is a story, not evidence.
As for DaVinci, of course evolutionists are speechless and brainless about his history, and his knowledge and his education and his mistake concerning the Flood. DaVinci was not a Christian and did not study genesis, only the shells on the tops of mountains..
Of course he didn't study Genesis, at least not for his science. He studied the actual physical evidence. You should try it.

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edge
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Message 917 of 1352 (809688)
05-20-2017 10:51 AM
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05-20-2017 10:16 AM


Re: Ducking, dodging and weaving (same as always)
And you have still not addressed the evidence I posted to you over a month ago from my own archaeological research, even though I've prodded you a dozen times or more.
And yet, we are the ones who are 'speechless' about the topic.
We are looking at a particularly hard case here. Even by CARM standards.

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Message 918 of 1352 (809692)
05-20-2017 11:01 AM
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05-20-2017 10:06 AM


Re: Leonardo DaVinci.. the Grand Master, Phi and Flood into depths
quote:
Darwin: "It is impossible to reflect upon the changed state of the American continent without the deepest astonishment. Formerly it must have swarmed with great monsters, now we find mere pygmies, compared with the antecedent, allied races."
David: (Exactly as the water layer above the Earth caused a green house effect below and moderated temperatures causing Garden of Eden conditions and an explosion of plant and animal life before the Flood. SEE Worldwide Flood and Noah's Ark)
So, David, tell us more about this "water layer". Where was it 'above the earth', and how thick was it? How did it remain suspended in the sky? How did it admit light to the surface of the earth? What was the level of greenhouse gases at the time and how much was due to water? What caused it to collapse and where did the water go afterward?
Your solutions create more impossible situations.

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Message 919 of 1352 (809693)
05-20-2017 11:05 AM
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05-20-2017 10:51 AM


Re: Ducking, dodging and weaving (same as always)
Lets get back to the topic, where did the waters of the Flood go ?
Did the sun dry them up through evaporation, NO
They took about 14 months, or so to receed downward.
Remember Mount Ararat, where Noah landed on is extremely high (Do an internet search), so where did the waters of the Flood go.
Thats part of the DaVinci question, the shells on the mountain top question, and a Biblical geological explanation concerning the TRUE HISTORY of the WORLDWIDE FLOOD.
Do I have to look it up for you, because evolutionists dont have access to GOOGLE.... I quess so, they do hate research...
Here it tis
fountains of the DEEP
Genesis 7
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
DaVinci should have studied some bible and should have known about the foundations of the deep, especially seeing he *** came *** **** ****.
The waters receeded back from where they came from.......
the division of the continents came afterwards with the continental shifts of Peleg.....
Now you know the true history of the Flood, and why DaVinci made his mistake and why shells are on the tops of mountains, and why evolutionists are so afraid of study and research

Being told to "Fuck you I can fucking write whatever I want" by CatsEye to me I thought would be against the rules Here( at EvC Forum: Isaiah 53 speaks about ISRAEL, and not about the messiah. ...message 145 ) but this board says there are no rules concerning languageHERE, so allow me to repost Cats eyes comments as logically therefore his words can not offend anyone....and can be part of my signature..... because it is not against the rules

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edge
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Message 920 of 1352 (809696)
05-20-2017 11:16 AM
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05-20-2017 11:05 AM


Re: Ducking, dodging and weaving (same as always)
Here it tis
fountains of the DEEP
Genesis 7
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
DaVinci should have studied some bible and should have known about the foundations of the deep, especially seeing he *** came *** **** ****
Sure. Okay, please show us where the 'fountains of the deep' were and what is your evidence for them? Just saying that they existed is not evidence.
How was the water stored in the earth? Why did it suddenly erupt to the surface?
The waters receeded back from where they came from........
And exactly where is that?
What is your evidence for such a location?
Now you know the true history of the Flood, and why DaVinci made his mistake and why shells are on the tops of mountains, and why evolutionists are so afraid of study and research
Actually, we only know your nice story. You don't really have anything to back it up.

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Message 921 of 1352 (809697)
05-20-2017 11:18 AM
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05-20-2017 11:05 AM


Re: Ducking, dodging and weaving (same as always)
Hi Davidjay,
Please take problems with moderation to the Report Discussion Problems Here 4.0 thread, not your signature. I have deleted your signature.

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Message 922 of 1352 (809705)
05-20-2017 11:35 AM
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05-20-2017 11:18 AM


Re: A Creationist Sues the Grand Canyon for Religious Discrimination
I was just going by the rules, ... because there are no language rules HERE as you mentioned.. and it shouldnt have offended anyone.
During my suspension, I did read about DaVinci and his mistake in not knowing where the flood waters went...
Its on this thread, that has now been closed and is in summation mode..
A Creationist Sues the Grand Canyon for Religious Discrimination
The flood waters receeding created the Grand Canyon etc etc etc etc etc etc and some more etc's
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Message 923 of 1352 (809749)
05-20-2017 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 909 by Davidjay
05-20-2017 9:39 AM


Really? Try again ...
Yes, the shells on the mountain tops showed this as Leonardo stated and observed and as evolutionists theorise against, but
thats why shells are on the crests ofmountains through out the world...and then the floods receeded
See Trilobites, Mountains and Marine Deposits - Evidence of a flood? ... thinking this is due to a WWFlood is facile ignorance of the total geological database.
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Message 924 of 1352 (810315)
05-27-2017 7:12 PM
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05-20-2017 6:57 PM


Re: Flood waters receeded into depths
I would suggest that it is 'ignorant' to discount, the fountains of the deep. For the flood came from down below not just the water layer above the EARTH, and so logically and biblically it stated, that the Flood waters receeded downward, back into the depths of the Earth.
You have never been there and can not say definitely this is not true, all you can say, is you dont know....and then deny deny DENY.
Anyway, the floods waters receeding is logical and reasonable and is seen in the Earths crust and the geology of the designed landscape.
Yikes, we must start a thread on the geological exactness of the designs of the Earths, cities, rivers, continents etc...
Its proveable, its there for those that seek.
You see DESIGN is not hidden but searchable..... all evolutionists can do is deny deny deny...
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

Evolutionists are brainless whoosies, gutless and cowards.
They are not scientists, but religionists that choose to deny facts and truths of science. Intelligence and design always defeats their lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is a losers doctrine, simply because they are either lazy or dishonest.

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edge
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Message 925 of 1352 (810322)
05-27-2017 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 924 by Davidjay
05-27-2017 7:12 PM


Re: Flood waters receeded into depths
I would suggest that it is 'ignorant' to discount, the fountains of the deep.
I would suggest that the complete lack of evidence for such fountains; and the lack of a mechanism for either the venting or the repacking of water back into the crust preclude such fountains.
For the flood came from down below not just the water layer above the EARTH, and so logically and biblically it stated, that the Flood waters receded downward, back into the depths of the Earth.
These are unsupported assertions. Where is your evidence?
You have never been there and can not say definitely this is not true, ...
Are you sure about this?
... all you can say, is you dont know....and then deny deny DENY.
Not really. We can say that there is evidence for what we think is going on.
You, on the other hand, have nothing but fables.
Anyway, the floods waters receeding is logical and reasonable and is seen in the Earths crust and the geology of the designed landscape.
There is nowhere for the waters to recede to.
Yikes, we must start a thread on the geological exactness of the designs of the Earths, cities, rivers, continents etc...
I'm not sure that you would want to do that.
Its proveable, its there for those that seek.
Then please do so.
You see DESIGN is not hidden but searchable..... all evolutionists can do is deny deny deny...
The products of natural, KNOWN processes are also 'searchable'. The denial is yours.
Edited by edge, : No reason given.

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Message 926 of 1352 (810362)
05-28-2017 10:26 AM
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04-05-2017 7:07 PM


Where the flood waters came from...
As mentioned when discussing the geological evidence for the flood, we would have to first account for the massive amount of water that covered the Earth.
The biblical record states that there was a layer of water (or vapor) above the Earths surface in Genesis.
Read and study Genesis 1, written by Moses who talked face to face with the Lord of Creation.
Does this make sense, Yes, early man after Adam lived a LONG TIME compared to after the flood.
Hence this vapor or water layer could have easily shielded the Suns damagaing aging rays, in allowing mankind to live sooooo long.
SEE ForeFathersGraphic
So did this upper water layer descend in 40 days and nights of rain, lifting Noahs Ark up, and eventually covering all the Earth and mountains worldwide (depositing shells on tops of mountains as has been observed) yes, very possible, probable and rational...
But thats way too little rain water to explain such a height of water upward....and hence as mentioned in Genesis, the Lord opened up the water from beneath the firmament, from the depths, or FOUNTAINS OF THE DEEP as well.
This can provide sufficient water to cover the whole Earth, and then when it receeded it coused the plains and deltas, and Grand Canyon etc... that we see today.
It went back into the depths.... and Noahs ARK descended on to Mount Aratrat where it has been rediscovered....
Yet after the flood, the continents were divided in the days of Peleg.... (but we aren;t allowed to discuss that..)
Now we know.... the geological record as in the GEOLOGICAL RECORD BOOK.

Evolutionists are brainless whoosies, gutless and cowards.
They are not scientists, but religionists that choose to deny facts and truths of science. Intelligence and design always defeats their lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is a losers doctrine, simply because they are either lazy or dishonest.

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Message 927 of 1352 (810367)
05-28-2017 2:16 PM
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05-28-2017 10:26 AM


Re: Where the flood waters came from...
Davidjay writes:
The biblical record states that there was a layer of water (or vapor) above the Earths surface in Genesis.
No it doesn't. The sun, moon and stars were visible.

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edge
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Message 928 of 1352 (810371)
05-28-2017 3:17 PM
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05-28-2017 10:26 AM


Re: Where the flood waters came from...
As mentioned when discussing the geological evidence for the flood, we would have to first account for the massive amount of water that covered the Earth.
Only if you presuppose that there ever was that much water.
The biblical record states that there was a layer of water (or vapor) above the Earths surface in Genesis.
Does the biblical record provide a mechanism by which to suspend that much water in the air or space or whatever?
Does this make sense, Yes, early man after Adam lived a LONG TIME compared to after the flood.
And you have some hard evidence to this effect?
Hence this vapor or water layer could have easily shielded the Suns damagaing aging rays, in allowing mankind to live sooooo long.
But I suppose it wouldn't shield the helpful rays of the sun, right?
So did this upper water layer descend in 40 days and nights of rain, lifting Noahs Ark up, and eventually covering all the Earth and mountains worldwide (depositing shells on tops of mountains as has been observed) yes, very possible, probable and rational...
Not really since the shells are not on the mountain but within the very rocks that make up the mountain.
But thats way too little rain water to explain such a height of water upward....and hence as mentioned in Genesis, the Lord opened up the water from beneath the firmament, from the depths, or FOUNTAINS OF THE DEEP as well.
Tell us more about these 'fountains of the deep'. Who observed them? Were were they? What did they look like and where can we see them today?
This can provide sufficient water to cover the whole Earth, ...
If you say so.
Could you provide the calculations to show this? How much water erupted from the fountains? How high did the waters rise?
... and then when it receeded it coused the plains and deltas, and Grand Canyon etc... that we see today.
Sure, it made nice meandering rivers. Tell us more about this erosion. What kind of material did it erode and where did it come from? Why do we see different drainage patterns all over the world?
It went back into the depths....
That's s simplistic explanation. What depths are you talking about? Did it move into rocks?
and Noahs ARK descended on to Mount Aratrat where it has been rediscovered....
Please document this. I haven't heard of such.
Yet after the flood, the continents were divided in the days of Peleg....
Who was Peleg and why did the continents suddenly decide to part their ways? How did they move and how fast. There is no record of tumultuous earth movements that I know of in any human record that would move entire continents thousands of miles. Did no one notice?
... (but we aren;t allowed to discuss that..)
Whatever your religion tells you not to do, I guess.
Now we know.... the geological record as in the GEOLOGICAL RECORD BOOK.
I know of no such "Geological Record Book". Can you please provide the Amazon reference page? I'd love to read the reviews.
Just as an aside, how did you gain all of this knowledge about geology?

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Message 929 of 1352 (810420)
05-29-2017 11:12 AM
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05-28-2017 3:17 PM


Re: Where the flood waters came from...the Bible
The Book is called the Bible, or more specifically the words written by the Lord, or His men or women, or prophets..
I think with that information you can discern the layers of truth within and on top of its superficial reading. Seek and ye shall find.
(I am not allowed to start a topic on Geographic Design however, or sex, or anything, so would have to do it here...even though that would be off topic, even though this is actually my topic...)

Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.
Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,

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Message 930 of 1352 (810421)
05-29-2017 11:14 AM
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05-29-2017 11:12 AM


Re: Where the flood waters came from...the Bible
Edge, do consider writing more than one liners. Learn to explain yourself, in more than one line retorts.. Thanks hoping you do better in the future.

Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.
Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,

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