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Author Topic:   Winning and Losing in the Debates
Phat
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Message 5 of 27 (808766)
05-12-2017 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Coyote
05-12-2017 10:58 AM


In Defense Of Faith & Belief
Coyote writes:
And science wins when, through gathering, evaluation, and debate over evidence, we build increasingly accurate explanations of natural phenomena.
Though it is true that evidence usually settles a case, the absence of evidence does NOT automatically equate to evidence of Absence.(No God)
I could care less what Ayn Rand thinks, as well.
There is no battle between science and evidence over Faith and dogma.
It comes down to our individual character and overall critical thought display.
jar represents faith and belief well, though his logic, reason, and reality tend to trash organized religious concepts that are accepted by the mainstream.
For the science crowd, however, he scores a touchdown quite often.
Many believers offer little help to the Faith & Belief side to appear intelligent and convincing. I fear that more harm is done through fundamentalist literalist thinking than it helps us.
I need work also, that much I will admit. It takes some time to put together a well-expressed argument.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 26 of 27 (810441)
05-29-2017 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Davidjay
05-28-2017 10:54 AM


Re: Tabernacle of the Sun..Tent of the Sun
It seems to me that although you welcome a debate and a courageous fray, you already believe that you have the right answer and that you have won. This is why you never answer anyone.
Be courageous and respond to my assertion, David. Am I right? You need not remind me of why you believe you have won. Just admit to us that all you really want to say is that Jesus won and human wisdom lost.
Then you need to explain why you are afraid to accept mainstream science.
You already are unable to prove why your idea of science is correct. (apart from the Jesus thing)
Know this. God did NOT give you the special wisdom that others do not possess. This is your fantasy.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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