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Author Topic:   Soracilla defends the Flood? (mostly a "Joggins Polystrate Fossils" discussion)
roxrkool
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Message 2 of 190 (80898)
01-26-2004 4:40 PM


Soracilla writes:
No, I wasn't saying that. I was saying that such a catastrophic event could do who knows what to the earth, and to its strata and so forth. Perhaps, though, I speak out of mere ignorance, and I do apologize if that is so.
Soracilla, the flood, according to the Bible was a global event. That means across the entire planet, torrential rains resulted in catastrophic flooding (unless you want to suggest the rains were localized). The rains continued for 40 days and 40 nights until the tallest mountains on the planet were covered.
Now without getting bogged down in the details (of which there are thousands), at the point when the waters covered the tallest mountain, the rains ceased, and the waters began to recede, the entire planet would have been subjected to sediment deposition. Flood waters would have been carrying so much sediment that as soon as the waters calmed enough, they would have dropped their sediment load. This is not something that occasionally happens, only happens at certain scales, etc., but ALWAYS. It's a law of nature. For an entire year while the waters receded, this would have happened.
The coarsest stuff would have dropped out first followed by finer and finer sediments. Logic tells us that this global flood layer is probably not going to be 1 or 10 or even 100 cm thick, it's going to be several meters thick at the very least. And again, this layer would have occurred over the entire planet. These sediments would be thinnest at higher elevations and thickest in the lowest elevations - ocean basins, valleys, etc. This layer has not been found in 200+ years of geologic study. Not even by early geologists who were creationists.
We have charts depicting eustatic sea level changes for millions of years. This eustatic curve can be correlated with, among other things, magnetic reversals, global black shale deposition, and global oil formation (which is why it's heavily utilized by oil companies). Your suggestion that we don't know what a flood layer/deposit would look like because we've never seen is in fact based on ignorance (no offense), especially since we are able to pick out hundreds of *other* relative sea level changes in the rock record.
Additionally, early geologists never witnessed astrobleme impacts, and although it took some time, they were able to recognize these catastrophic events and subsequently identify them throughout the geologic record. And those events are MUCH, MUCH more localized - contained within just a few square kilometers, often.
We don't need to witness a global flood to have a pretty good idea of what it would do. Physical laws don't change with time.

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roxrkool
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Message 6 of 190 (81078)
01-27-2004 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Soracilla
01-26-2004 10:25 PM


No problem.

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roxrkool
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Message 15 of 190 (152121)
10-22-2004 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by RandyB
10-22-2004 12:14 PM


Re: Polystrate Fossils of Joggins
When you say "personally looked into," does that mean you actually visited the site, or mapped it, or something like that?
Also, what literature have you looked at to come to your conclusions?

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roxrkool
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Message 31 of 190 (153082)
10-26-2004 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by RandyB
10-26-2004 12:42 PM


Re: You have no chance of learning
Randy, Randy, Randy, don't you know by now that quoting people out of context is the modus operandi of the truly ignorant?
Leave off that nonsense while here in this forum, please. This is a place of SCIENCE not feckless jibber jabber.

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roxrkool
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Message 36 of 190 (153263)
10-27-2004 1:17 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Bill Birkeland
10-27-2004 12:06 AM


Re: Polystrate Fossils of Joggins
Excellent rebuttal, Mr. Birkeland. I look forward to Randy Berg's response.

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roxrkool
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Message 42 of 190 (157110)
11-08-2004 12:15 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by RandyB
11-07-2004 9:18 PM


Re: You have no chance of learning
Randy, multiply those GoM cores by a thousand from other 10,000 - 12,000 year old sediment from all over the world and THEN you might have evidence for a world wide flood. Until then, you have evidence for a North American flood at the end of an ice age and nothing more.
I see evidence for a local flood, I just don't see any evidence whatsoever that it was global. Surely you recognize that, don't you?

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