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Tangle
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Message 899 of 993 (811044)
06-04-2017 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 898 by Faith
06-04-2017 1:40 PM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
Faith writes:
I think it's interesting that nothing has been said about this here. The only worthy news is anything that can be used to criticize Trump apparently, but criticizing Islam, no way.
What is there to say? 3 fundamentalist, religious cunts indiscriminately murdered and maimed a lot people in London yesterday claiming that they were doing it for Allah.
This is what religion does - creates fanatical loons.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Je suis Mancunian.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 903 of 993 (811058)
06-04-2017 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 900 by Faith
06-04-2017 2:21 PM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
Faith writes:
So are you one of those UK people who are in favor of admitting lots of these "fanatical loons" into the country?
I'm fairly clear on not letting fanatical loons into the country - generally that would be a bad idea. Sadly they don't tell us they're fanatical loons on their application.
The Manchester set were our own home grown fanatical loons and I'm expecting the London arseholes to be the same.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Je suis Mancunian.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 904 of 993 (811062)
06-04-2017 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 901 by Faith
06-04-2017 2:34 PM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
Faith writes:
Interesting that you can't point to Islam alone although it's all coming from Islam.
Didn't my mention that they were doing it for Allah give you a clue?
No, you have to pretend all religion is the same. Funny, one way or another Islam the murdering ideology keeps murdering and murdering and also keeps getting a pass even from its victims.
Religion always gets a pass doesn't it? It's never your religion's fault is it? it's always someone else's religion. In this case it's a version of Islam's fault.
France's Macron is all in favor of continuing to admit Muslims. Weird suicidal policies.
It's a recognition that it's not ALL Muslims that are the problem, it's a polluted few of them. Just like your mad version of Christianity doesn't represent Christianity as a whole, these murdering bastard's version of Islam is not Islam as a whole.
But my God, we'd be better off with none of these primitive, aberrant, dangerous and dumb ideas at all - no matter how seemingly benign some of them seem.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Je suis Mancunian.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 906 of 993 (811073)
06-04-2017 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 900 by Faith
06-04-2017 2:21 PM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
I see your idiot president has made an even bigger twat of himself tweeting garbage about the London mayor - who is a Muslim. He really is a cock.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Je suis Mancunian.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 910 of 993 (811086)
06-05-2017 1:28 AM
Reply to: Message 909 by Faith
06-04-2017 7:17 PM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
Faith writes:
Yes and thank you for that. But you also slammed "religion" in general.
That's because almost all religions preach violence to other beliefs in some form or another and have been used to justify all sorts of disgusting behaviours.
They aren't at all "polluted," they are the true Muslim purists, acting on what their religion clearly teaches.
I'm not defending their rediculous book but it's clear that the vast majority of Muslims don't interpret it in the same way and are peaceful people simply wanting to get on with their lives.
Religions divide and separate people and provide reasons for the corrupt and the mad to do a lot of harm. Time to get rid of the lot of them.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Je suis Mancunian.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 912 of 993 (811099)
06-05-2017 6:14 AM
Reply to: Message 911 by Phat
06-05-2017 5:53 AM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
Phat writes:
I dont see how this could reasonably and fairly be done. Human nature would invent another fantasy to take religions place.
It happens naturally with education and prosperity. The Western world is gradually shaking off the worst affects of religion - the US is unique in it's fundamentalism but even there, it's gradually declining.
There's no reason why dangerous beliefs once gone need be replaced by others, not if we keep trying to make progress based on creating progressive societies that are there to benefit its members not some imagined deity or crazed leader.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Je suis Mancunian.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 915 of 993 (811106)
06-05-2017 7:45 AM
Reply to: Message 913 by Phat
06-05-2017 6:17 AM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
Phat writes:
The religious people themselves would fight such a law.
It doesn't require a law, it just needs a prosperous and educated democratic society with secular law and protection of free speech. It happens naturally if it's allowed a chance.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Je suis Mancunian.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 919 of 993 (811157)
06-05-2017 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 917 by New Cat's Eye
06-05-2017 11:27 AM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
NCE writes:
I'll stop being religious when God stops responding.
How does he respond?
Consistently increasing my prosperity and education doesn't seem to be having any effect on that
Oh yes it is. You're a American Catholic I believe? Education and prosperity has radically changed what Catholicism is and what it preaches. Your beliefs are radically different from a Catholic in a pre-enlightenment era. They're even different to those of modern third world Catholics.
Your personal beliefs are effectively harmless post reformation. Your head of state no longer has an army or even official torturers - if we forget the global child abuse carried out by its priests. Happily it's lost its financial and political influence over the secular West but sadly not so in the less educated third world.
Now that there is just hateful bigotry with some intolerance.
No, it's raging fucking anger and total intolerance. We've just had the third set of religious mass murders in three of our cities in less than three months by real bigots chanting Allah's name. Don't lecture me on bigotry and intollerance of religion.
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 923 of 993 (811171)
06-05-2017 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 920 by New Cat's Eye
06-05-2017 1:11 PM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
NCS writes:
How does he respond?
It's hard to describe. It's non-verbal, but kinda like a Vulcan mind-meld, or something, where I receive imagery and feelings.
Deserves a new thread where I can try to be tolerant of such stuff. At the moment my toleration an religious ideas is zero.
So sure, my religion is constantly evolving - but I'm still religious. That's what's not changing.
What you believe has changed. Thankfully.
Yeah, and you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater because you're prejudiced.
I'm throwing the bath with it. As far as I can.
Oh boo-hoo. We had more people killed in St. Louis over this normal summer weekend - only two of them were children.
That's you culture not mine. We don't do this stuff and we don't want to be like you.
I guess it's only newsworthy when a religious person does it I kid, I kid.
No, don't kid. You've normalised mass murder. We don't want ever to feel that way.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 932 of 993 (811229)
06-06-2017 2:54 AM
Reply to: Message 929 by Faith
06-05-2017 7:35 PM


Re: Trump undermines his case(?).
Faith writes:
The problem with Trump is that he isn't a political wheeler-dealer. What you see is what you get. That kind of sincerity can look buffoonish at times of course, but what a breath of fresh air to have a real human being in the Presidency, flaws and all, instead of a polished plotter like most of them, and a human being who really does care about this country, really does care about the Constitution, particularly the freedoms it grants citizens of the USA for whom it was written.
Trump has now re-attacked the mayor London in yet another brainless and factually wrong, juvenile tweat. Once might be a mistake, twice is deliberate.
Let me say that again, your President attacked the mayor of a city that has just had a terrorist attack. What a wanker he is.
The US Ambassador to the UK tweeted what friendly governments are supposed say in times like this:
quote:
I commend the strong leadership of the @MayorofLondon as he leads the city forward after this heinous attack. — LLukens 3/3 https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/871270734835965952
And then came under attack from the Trump lobby himself for supporting a Muslim.
Your president is a disgrace to your country
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 934 of 993 (811231)
06-06-2017 3:16 AM
Reply to: Message 933 by Faith
06-06-2017 3:08 AM


Re: Trump undermines his case(?).
What??? He actually said this:
quote:
Sadiq Khan has said he believes the threat of terror attacks are part and parcel of living in a big city and encouraged Londoners to be vigilant to combat dangers.
The Mayor of London revealed he had a sleepless night after the recent bombing in New York, and said major cities around the world have got to be prepared for these sorts of things to happen when people least expect them.
That means being vigilant, having a police force that is in touch with communities, it means the security services being ready, but it also means exchanging ideas and best practice, Mr Khan told the Evening Standard shortly before a meeting with New York mayor Bill de Blasio.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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