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Message 946 of 1352 (810682)
05-31-2017 5:49 PM
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05-31-2017 8:06 AM


Re: Evaporites
I conclude from this answer that you didn't read the referenced article. Reply again when you have something substantial to contribute.
But actually, RAZD did read the article. In fact that quote was from the conclusion.
Going on to the content, however, the paper has a few problems.
It does not account for the tabular shape that is conformable with bedding in the enclosing sediments. This is almost universal, excluding salt domes and possibly other deformed deposits. These salt deposits form layers parallel with the sediments and occur in known basins which could be restricted for long periods of times allowing evaporation to occur.
The author kind of deceives you when he discusses a kilometer thick salt layer. He says that it would take the evaporation of 60km of salt water to attain this amount of salt. I have just checked on the original thickness estimates for the Louann Salt in the Mississippi Embayment and it was probably about 500 feet.
Moving on, he compares the salt layers to known sodium carbonate lavas. The problem with this is that the lavas are easily recognizable as igneous rocks by there textures and geometry.
He talks about the salt being intruded at 850 degrees C. So, okay, where is evidence for the metamorphism of the enclosing rocks?
Need I go on?
Actually, Heerema gets even more ludicrous in his defense of the magmatic theory here:
Clarifying the magmatic model for the origin of salt deposits - creation.com
As a parting shot, I see that Stef Heerema has a degree in 'airplane engineering'.
That should be comforting to you.

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Message 947 of 1352 (810926)
06-03-2017 6:47 AM


Blood thirsty GIANT CROSSBREEDS is why the Flood came
EvC Forum: Giants, Cross breeding,, before the Flood
To understand why the worldwide flood came you have to study the cross breeding of the fallen angels that produced literal GIANTS.
Otherwise you have to deny and reject these fossil bones, immediately, without researching their distribulation around the world, just because your an evolutionist and facts can not enter into your mind.
Evolutionists feel free to deny deny deny now.... or you can honestly research these facts about GIANTS, your choice

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Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,

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Message 948 of 1352 (810931)
06-03-2017 7:55 AM
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06-03-2017 6:47 AM


There was no world-wide flood. The Biblical floods are simply fantasy.
There has never been a world-wide flood during the time humans existed. There have never been giants.
Only the delusional and con men try to market the idea that there was some world-wide flood or that there were giants.

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Message 949 of 1352 (810942)
06-03-2017 9:42 AM
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06-03-2017 7:55 AM


Re: There was a world-wide flood. because of
Wisconisn, Bulgaria, Mid East, Romania, etc etc etc etc etc... did creationists creat these bones ALL OVER THE WORLD and place them where they would be found, so as to deceive evolutionists, and get them to admit, discuss or even research the truths about the HISTORY of the GREAT FLOOD and WHY, it was sent to drown out these GIANTS and unbelieveing rebellious people.
I think not, the truth is there the pics are there, Genesis states it, and its horrible cross mating between those of DIFFERENT KINDS.
Mystery solved, now we know WHY there was a flood and not just when there was a flood..... exactly

Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.
Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,

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Message 950 of 1352 (810944)
06-03-2017 9:44 AM
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06-03-2017 9:42 AM


Re: There was a world-wide flood. because of
There has never been a world-wide flood during the time humans existed. There have never been giants.
Only the delusional and con men try to market the idea that there was some world-wide flood or that there were giants.

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Message 951 of 1352 (810970)
06-03-2017 12:12 PM
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06-03-2017 6:47 AM


Re: Blood thirsty GIANT CROSSBREEDS is why the Flood came
Davidjay writes:
To understand why the worldwide flood came you have to study the cross breeding of the fallen angels that produced literal GIANTS.
That isn't even part of the story of the flood. Genesis specifies that God sent the Flood because of man:
quote:
Genesis 6:5-7And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
It doesn't even mention destroying any giants or fallen angels.

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Message 952 of 1352 (811091)
06-05-2017 3:40 AM
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06-03-2017 9:42 AM


Re: There was a world-wide flood. because of
Davidjay writes:
I think not, the truth is there the pics are there,
Davidjay, do you mean pics of giant skeletons? These pics are faked. Humans as large as the faked photographs portray are physiologically impossible. Giant hoax - creation.com

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Message 953 of 1352 (811096)
06-05-2017 5:45 AM
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06-03-2017 6:47 AM


Re: Blood thirsty GIANT CROSSBREEDS is why the Flood came
Evolutionists feel free to deny deny deny now.... or you can honestly research these facts about GIANTS, your choice
How do you expect anyone to do honest research when YOU are giving them information and calling it facts before it is even fairly investigated?

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Message 954 of 1352 (811098)
06-05-2017 6:12 AM
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06-03-2017 9:42 AM


Two possibilities
I think not, the truth is there the pics are there, Genesis states it, and its horrible cross mating between those of DIFFERENT KINDS.
There are two possibilities here:
First, that you are a gullible fool that is easily fooled by photoshoped pictures that even Creationists think is bunk, and for that fool I ask a simple question: where are the skeletons on display ... they would be a huge attraction.
Second, that you think others here are gullible fools that will take your troll bait to go offtopic.
Enjoy

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Message 955 of 1352 (811113)
06-05-2017 8:57 AM
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06-05-2017 6:12 AM


Re: Two possibilities
where are the skeletons on display ... they would be a huge attraction.
They're in a wooden crate, along with thousands of other wooden crates, in a government warehouse that looks bigger and bigger as the camera pans back.....

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 956 of 1352 (811115)
06-05-2017 9:11 AM
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Re: Two possibilities
In area 51?

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Message 957 of 1352 (811504)
06-08-2017 9:52 PM


More evidence
Evidence for a Flood:
Sediment layers suggest that 7,500 years ago Mediterranean water roared into the Black Sea
Evidence for a Flood | Science| Smithsonian Magazine
...
It was this event that Pitman and Ryan believe could be the flood recorded in the Book of Genesis. The salt water poured through the deepening channel, creating a waterfall 200 times the volume of Niagara Falls (anyone who has ever traveled to the base of the falls on the Maid of the Mist will have a sense of the power involved). In a single day enough water came through the channel to cover Manhattan to a depth at least two times the height of the World Trade Center, and the roar of the cascading water would have been audible at least 100 miles away. Anyone living in the fertile farmlands on the northern rim of the sea would have had the harrowing experience of seeing the boundary of the ocean move inland at the rate of a mile a day.
More

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Message 958 of 1352 (811509)
06-08-2017 10:25 PM
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06-08-2017 9:52 PM


Re: More evidence
No local flood will do it, Coyote, no matter how scary for the locals. The Bible is clear that the Flood covered the whole earth. There would have been no need to build an ark if Noah had had the hundred years advance warning he had of a local flood, he would simply have moved his family out of the flood area.

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Message 959 of 1352 (811510)
06-08-2017 10:31 PM
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Re: More evidence
No local flood will do it, Coyote, no matter how scary for the locals.
As Prof. Tolkien noted, "The tale grew in the telling."
From 5600 BC until it was written down in various accounts provides lots of time for the tale to grow.
The Bible is clear that the Flood covered the whole earth.
The bible is wrong.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Message 960 of 1352 (811517)
06-08-2017 11:05 PM
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06-08-2017 10:31 PM


Re: More evidence
Whatever your opinion, it isn't going to change that of Bible believers. There's no point in proposing a local flood, we aren't buying it.

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