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Faith 
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Message 946 of 993 (811278)
06-06-2017 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 945 by DrJones*
06-06-2017 1:41 PM


Re: Trump undermines his case(?).
So most conservatives are for single payer health care?
Most conservatives are for getting rid of the high premiums and other problems in Obamacare.

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Message 948 of 993 (811280)
06-06-2017 2:03 PM
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06-06-2017 1:54 PM


Re: Trump undermines his case(?).
I don't follow all the healthcare politics so I can't answer your questions. I've heard however that what Trump wanted is being changed a lot by others. But again a big concern with Obamacare is the high premiums some have to pay.

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Message 953 of 993 (811293)
06-06-2017 4:38 PM
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06-06-2017 3:51 PM


Re: Trump undermines his case(?).
The people who have to pay the higher premiums are not rich.

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Message 958 of 993 (812552)
06-17-2017 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 957 by Chiroptera
06-17-2017 12:13 PM


Re: So much for stereotypes.
That's great to know, it shows that no matter what evil the religion teaches personal humanity can rise above it. those are the Muslims that would pass Trump's vetting.
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Message 960 of 993 (812594)
06-17-2017 7:16 PM
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06-17-2017 5:24 PM


Re: So much for stereotypes.
I get it, you are just fine with terrorists getting into the country because you think any attempt to vet or discriminate at all is "Islamophobia." God must be pretty fed up with us to allow this attitude to be so prevalent.

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Message 963 of 993 (812628)
06-18-2017 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 962 by Chiroptera
06-18-2017 11:21 AM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
The thing you said originally implied that you think I am stereotyping people, but that misunderstands everything I've said on the subject which is not about people but about the ideology. That seemed too much to get into in this context so all I said was basically that the Muslims you described show a humanity that has nothing to do with their religion. Meaning it's the ideology that is the problem but I'm glad some people can transcend it, and that people who can transcend it would pass the vetting test. Any vetting test. I don't know anything about the actual vetting system, it was just a way of saying some Muslims aren't a danger because they aren't slavish followers of Islam.
Your response seemed to call me Islamophobic. The term is a red flag to me, implying that there are no good reasons to be wary of Islam, Islam as such, the religion as such, the belief system itself, what Mohammed taught and the people follow, but the religion is evil and should be feared and shunned. Some Muslims manage not to live completely by it so presumably they aren't terrorists, though of course any individual Muslim could still become a true believer in the fundamental religion which calls for terrorism in the service of taking the world for Allah. Again it's the ideology not the people that's the problem. The people become a problem when they are committed to living the ideology completely, which prescribes the death of "infidels."
Although what you said wasn't at all clear to me, it sounded enough like the usual accusation I get here to not want to get into that usual exchange, but perhaps it wasn't. I probably still don't know what you are trying to say, the whole thing is confused and I don't know where to begin to sort it out.
abe:
1) Focusing on people instead of the ideology of Islam itself misses the point about why there is a problem allowing Muslims into the country.
2) The term "Islamophobia" is ideologically Marxist, the typically Marxist shaming and debunking accusation against anyone who knows that Islam is a dangerous belief system.
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Message 965 of 993 (812662)
06-19-2017 8:58 AM
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06-19-2017 8:51 AM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
It's a pejorative term. Why should hatred of Islam be denigrated when it's so completely reasonable? It's the weirdest thing, hating the people who hate the evil ideology that wants to take over the world and subjugate everyone else. Insane how it's the opponents of Islam, the ones who know what it's really all about, who are vilified. In such righteous tones too. You sound so sure of yourself, so self righteous, against anyone who tries to warn you of the truth. The world has truly gone utterly insane.

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Message 967 of 993 (812668)
06-19-2017 9:23 AM
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06-19-2017 9:16 AM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
The world is crazy. You are embracing an ideology that's at least as evil and murderous as Nazism and Stalinism and you're attacking the people who are trying to warn you. I can keep saying it but I guess you'll just keep denying it and calling me names. The Nazis put people in concentration camps; the Communists sent people to the gulag. How soon I wonder will the Left have to get rid of us dissenters too?

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Message 969 of 993 (812751)
06-20-2017 12:49 AM
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06-19-2017 9:34 AM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
The weird sad thing is that Trump is not the Fascist, the Leftists are the fascists. Trump is the anti-fascist, the one who wants to promote American freedoms.
As Reagan said,
If fascism ever comes to America it will come in the guise of liberalism.
He was right, it's here and of course the Left is calling the good guys the fascists in this craziest of all crazy worlds.

He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.
2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...
Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism
If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan

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Faith 
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Message 971 of 993 (812759)
06-20-2017 5:53 AM
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06-20-2017 1:47 AM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
Since you don't say what you mean I'll guess. I suppose you are putting a bleeding heart spin on illegal activity. Sad if people do things illegally and in spite of all the best effort to prevent the saddest outcome have to suffer for their illegal acts. Perhaps we should be louder and clearer about consequences for illegal acts so people won't get themselves into such painful situations. I wonder if I'll ever see you say something in favor of law over emotion. Probbly not, Marxists prefer having someone to blame for the troubles other people get themselves into.
Of course maybe you aren't even talking about illegal activity? Maybe you're talking about something else? Who can fathom the devious mind of a Marxist?
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Message 973 of 993 (812776)
06-20-2017 7:54 AM
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06-20-2017 7:27 AM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
It's that bad, yes, that the courts are in thrall to the Left.
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Message 975 of 993 (812781)
06-20-2017 8:34 AM
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06-20-2017 8:29 AM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
Then shoot me because I don't want to live in a Leftist-defined America.

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Message 979 of 993 (812798)
06-20-2017 9:24 AM
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06-20-2017 8:37 AM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
Saudi Arabia hates Christians.

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Faith 
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Message 983 of 993 (812862)
06-20-2017 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 982 by Genomicus
06-20-2017 4:48 PM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
Just a matter of fact I must clear up: I'm always writing against the inquisition here because the Roman Church is not Christianity, and the main people they tortured and killed were Protestant-type Christians -- at the rate of something like fifty million in the 600 years of the General Inquisition, and another seventeen million Jews, Muslims and others. The Inquisition is similar to Islam in its zeal to exterminate anyone of a different point of view. Jews and Christians seem to be their main target too.
I disagree with most of the rest of what you said as well.
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Message 985 of 993 (812864)
06-20-2017 9:00 PM
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06-20-2017 8:35 PM


Re: This is the response I wanted to give
I know what you said and I consider it the usual trickster kind of argument and wasn't interested in it. Sorry.

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