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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2329 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Nah, Jesus is in the middle and meets you in the middle if you are honest with yourself.
SEE salvation HERE Salvation Design wise, the entrance is in the middle of our heights....... Or in the Holy of Holies ManinHolyofHolies Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science. Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
You didn't address my post at all.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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You didn't address my post at all. Well of course not. He's a troll. Still just spewing rubbish and still making references to his website via links. I am amazed Percy has let this go on this long.
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AdminPhat Inactive Member
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Quit spamming your website, David. None of them care. Besides, its a forum rule violation.
... and Jesus has proven himself as a supplier or my and our needs and we are doing just fine before we meet HIM in person. If He supplies your needs, you have NO need to advertise. Next bare link gets an automatic suspension.
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2329 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Just giving exact answers to specific questions.
Thats not spamming thats called being prepared and having the ammunition to do debate, rather than being unarmed in the face of frivilous attacks. I like to post answers and keep the conversation going and discussions going rather than to descend into the abysss of evolutionary non thinking and name calling. No I am not a 'fucking idiot and not a troll', I am a Christian , a missionary, a scientist, and a biologist.And my posts prove it. Thanks for the opportunity to defeat evolution and evolutionists. Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science. Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2329 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined:
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As an example, allow me to further explain the TRINITY and be on topic..... even in the face of off topic comments and questions and misrepresentations...
This is not spamming, and any and everyone knows it. Its called knowing the subject matter and knowing the TRINITY... ******************* Trinity, True or False Sadly some people deny the Trinity Principle, this because they do not think Jesus is divine. Therefore by dis-believing inthe Trinity, they can disregard the sacrifice of Jesus and importance of what He did, and make Him either a mere stepping stone or even less.. So though the word Trinity sounds theological and it is, because it is a label. Nevertheless, know that the principle behind it is on solid ground. Foolish non Christian posters will say that the doctrine came from a misquoted single passage or a misplaced apostrophe, etc. etc. These are book learners and word twisters and scribes and pharisees that want to destroy your faith so you can get faith in them and their authors. They want to lead you astray from the divinity of Jesus. Your faith should not be in mere words, but should be grounded on Jesus and your personal experience in KNOWING HIM.If you KNOW HIM, then these word twisters can not get to you, and your faith can grow with your continuous walk with the Lord and His directives. You will gain the LIVING WORD and shall not be disrailed by these scribes and pharisees of man. They want you to follow them, tell them to take a hike and walk with your DIVINE LORD OF LORDS and KING OF KINGS. Because to know Jesus is to know GOD. God is not more powerful than Jesus like most Protestants are taught. Jesus wasGod, Jesus is God. As Thomas realized as he exclaimed to the Lord. ''MY LORD and MY GOD" SEE Jesus is God If you receive the Son, you have received the Father. They are ONE. And the Holy Spirit is just their teaching comfortingSpirit which is also just an extension of them, for she also is ONE with them. They all are ONE. Father Son and Holy Spirit.Its total union, and you do not have to comprehend it totally, you just have to know from personal experience with the SON that you have the Father, and His Spirit, and they are ONE. John 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. 1John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 2John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. So strengthen your faith in the Father, Son, Holy Spirit truth by checking out how many times it is repeated by the Lord, andby His apostles. And do not listen to those that are word twisters and want to deny that Jesus is equal to God. They want to make him less than divine and less than the Father, so they can by pass the SON and pretend they lead the way to the father with their slanderous words and twistings. Forget these book learners and arm chair theologians and name droppers, and name callers and just KNOW the SON to knowthe FATHER. Trinity, true or false ..... TRUE ! ! See also Triple Point TrinityDavid Jay Jordan PS) You evolutionists and atheists have nothing written because after 'luck and chance' all you learn is the backward semantics, of 'chance and luck'. A spammer cant explain over and over again with more detail and more answers and more experiences..... evolutionists hate facts and data and truths, and wish their opposition creationists would just stop posting truths and facts and science... and just leave them alone with their pet theory. JWA! The "Trinity" is a winning doctrine and is biblical and true. Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given. Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science. Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2329 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Darn, there goes their excuse for ********** me. For I am just better prepared for debate than they are, and so they complain and look for a reason, any reason to *** me.
Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science. Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,
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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 738 days) Posts: 2236 Joined:
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I admit that the Gospel that ended up being attributed to John did become the first Gospel to specifically consider Jesus to be God.
But those verses actually don't describe that divinity issue. BTW, I am in a good mood. Since my last post about an hour ago, I went outside. A Hindu actually stopped me and expressed amazement at how I look like Ghandi. I just shaved my head. I have some amusing EVC stories that happened right as I was posting. There was a black guy from Nebraska that was describing my "ethnic features " once when I was posting. From my chin to top of head. I was outside in Omaha posting about the conservatism of the Catholic church (debating NoNukes) and this cool guy noticed me and his analysis was that I have "obvious Jewish features from the forehead to the top of the eye brows " then German features above the brows. Lol. He told me that he thinks Germans are the coolest people so I wasn't anything but happy I suppose. (as I got to know him, it turned out he was gay, which I was not, but he found me to be quite a cool brother ) Anyway, I am in a good mood. Now if only I could look like Asoka. What did he look like? Anyway...
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I actually like this post. From now on I will deal with you as a member rather than a moderator. My two requests are that you stop linking your website to your posts and that you treat other members (yes some are evolutionists) with respect.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
ringo writes: I would prefer that God created the possibility of evil---actualized by a fallen angel...rather than incorporating the attributes of evil directly into a part of God. It is the way that I choose to believe. Having evil as an intrinsic part of Gods nature makes Him no better than us. Jesus supposedly represented Gods human character and I see little evidence that Jesus had evil inclinations, apart from the temper tantrum in His Fathers House(!) which He had every right to do. You seem to be squeamish about the reality of your God. He "must" be good; He "can't" be evil or have anything to do with evil. Yet He's supposedly the Creator of "all seen and unseen". By your math, evil isn't part of "all seen and unseen". Huh?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
At the risk of creating a false dichotomy: Either God created evil or He didn't create everything. Whether He does something "directly" or not is irrelevant. He pulled the trigger so you can't blame the bullet.
I would prefer that God created the possibility of evil---actualized by a fallen angel...rather than incorporating the attributes of evil directly into a part of God. Phat writes:
It doesn't seem possible to create a God who is omnipotent and better than us at the same time.
Having evil as an intrinsic part of Gods nature makes Him no better than us.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
I would prefer that God created the possibility of evil---actualized by a fallen angel...rather than incorporating the attributes of evil directly into a part of God Creating the possibility is the equivalent of creating the actual thing itself if you are the ultimate creator of the universe. Creating the 'possibility' of something implies that this 'something' is attainable. In programming logic, if I create an 'if' 'else' statement, it implies that I am providing the mechanism for either option.
Having evil as an intrinsic part of Gods nature makes Him no better than us. I don't necessarily think that the creation of evil implies it is intrinsic to anything or makes any statements pertaining to the nature of god or whatever. Ironically, these paradoxes can actually be eliminated by simply removing the omnipotent nature of god. If god is not omnipotent, than god can be privy to the same potential issues that manifest in any entity that isn't all knowing or all seeing. I know Christians don't necessarily like that viewpoint, but it actually is easier to reconcile with the the stories of the Bible.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I would prefer that God created the possibility of evil---actualized by a fallen angel...rather than incorporating the attributes of evil directly into a part of God. How can good and free will both exist without evil, or not good existing? I don't believe such a thing is even possible. The choices then are to create good and evil or to create robots without the potential for doing anything but what they are told to do. Given a choice of a universe to live in, I'd prefer the former. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Not really, it is a theory that is imposed on nature so consistently that you think you are observing it. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
You misunderstand me. I am referring to the attributes of God...not humanity.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Either God created evil or He didn't create everything. Whether He does something "directly" or not is irrelevant. He pulled the trigger so you can't blame the bullet. You also dont understand. I would say he didnt create everything in that He did not foreknow our decisions. He may have created the gun but it is we who decide whether to pull the trigger...or in your case even acknowledge that He made the gun yet is necessary.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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