Christians And Science Don't Get Along

It would be more accurate to say that your belief is an obstacle to understanding.Witness your desperate excuses to try to avoid understanding Isaiah 7 - as demonstrated in the subthread starting here Message 264

So, you think that Anselm was badly mistaken, too.I mean you don't even understand dwise1's reply. Just as your faith prevents you from understanding Isaiah 7 (and surely other parts of the Bible, such as Daniel 8).From a Christian perspective it would even be safe to say that your faith - in yourself and your idols - often leads you to sin.

I'm pointing out that your assertion is obviously false. Your faith even leads you away from understanding the Bible. I know that you don't like that, but it is a clear fact. As demonstrated in the posts I linked to earlier

And there you go labelling facts as opinions again. Even the commentary you quoted refused to take your hard line of denying any possible fulfilment in the reign of Ahaz. And they didn't understand the prophecy either! (Hint: it is NOT the birth of a child!)All you are doing is proving my point

I am responding to your claim that your faith brings understanding by pointing to proof that it leads to misunderstanding even your religion's scriptures. And it is the same false certainty that leads you to reject science that contradicts your false certainty by making false attacks upon it.So it would seem that my posts are closer to the topic than your boast of understanding.Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.

If your faith and your certainty causes you to misunderstand the scriptures of your own religion - and obviously so - any claim that your belief brings understanding is suspect.Likely you just think that you understand - and don't.This is not a "weird game" - a label you usually apply to truths you refuse to accept - it is relevant to the reasons why some Christians are at odds with science (and make many errors of reasoning - see the link in the OP if you don't see the relevance of that)

So, are you a Unitarian now, Faith ?

Newton's unorthodox religious beliefs - as well as his alchemy are quite well known.He was an Arian as well.But, the point is, that much as you like the sentiment of the prayer it is hardly meaningful, unless Newton did have a better understanding of God than an orthodox believer would be willing to grant.

So Unitarians and Arians are correct. OK.

And you miss the point again. If Newton's "closeness" to God mislead him, then it is rather unlikely that it is real closeness.

The comparison with the telescope rather suggests that znewton was speaking of understanding. After all, astronomical observations were all part of his great theory of gravity. So yes, if Newton's understanding was badly wrong it seems likely that his claim was based on an illusion rather than any genuine vision or closeness.