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Why did god need help?
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat writes: OK. If so, is it possible that all atheists have already been given the opportunity to know God? Which God Phat, which god? Vishnu, Allah, Thor? Have Christians been given the opportunity to ignore them and all the others?
The next question is why would one prefer to ignore Him? There's nothing to ignore. How can a mythical creature that has no tangible or intangible impact on my life be ignored. You don't ignore things that don't exist. Neither you nor I are ignoring pixies are we? Understanding an atheist's position is easy Phat, you just treat your belief in this god thing, the same as every other fantasy entity. It's absolutely no different. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat writes: Maybe this explains it Tangle. My irrationality has been notably more prevalent lately. I wouldn't say you're more irrational, you just seem a bit more 'needy'. Don't worry about it, 'this too will pass'.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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CRR writes: The problem is that if you remove the omnipotent nature of God you, in essence, become God yourself by having the power to remove or imagine or create anything. Remove god entirely and you don't have a problem.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat writes: To me its all a no-brainer. Yup.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Is a world without evil so evil?
When we have these discussions it's almost a default position that having the ability to do harm (free will) is important, even necessary. Is it really? Obviously - well to me at least - this is a totally specious argument because we are simply another organism competing to survive - competing against each other as well as our environment so harm is inbuilt by biology. Evolution completely explains why we ae the way we are. Freewill is a purely religious concept so you have to ask, why couldn't god have created a world without harm? Of course the answer is that he did but the Fall did for all that. To introduce the concept of evil, God had to also introduce the evil itself in the form of a talking snake representing a previously fallen angel. It's a very, very strange and silly idea isn't it? Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat writes: It makes no sense to me why people would spin a story out of thin air for two thousand years if there were nothing to it. Can you explain Mormonism to me then?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Yes. If you supplied a gun to your neighbour knowing with certainty that he would use it to murder his wife you are jointly charged with the crime. You have common purpose.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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I can guarantee that you've never heard Dennet talking nonsense. You may have heard him say stuff you don't like but he's not known for talking nonsense - not talking nonsense is what he has to do for a living.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat writes: Philosophically I see no reason why you can't. That's because you have no idea what philosophy is.In you're world it seems to be just making shit up because you like the sound of it. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat writes:
Ask any five year old. But really, why would anyone care? It's just an angels on pinhead issue, totally pointless.
Explain why 1+1+1=1 makes no sense Can you conceive of a Creator of all seen and unseen?
No. (Even disregarding the silly terminology.) The idea that a 'someone' has to be involved just because we think the way we do is juvenile.
Can you conceive of such a Being imparting His character into a human?
Given what we know of the human character, the concept is totally preposterous isn't it? It's just human hubris as usual.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Phat writes: You can't hold me to a standard that you don't believe to be real. Try, really try, to get your head round this. It's important. Not to us but to you. We're trying to point out that you're not holding yourself to your own standard. It's not a defence to say that we don't believe what you believe. You're just deflecting. If you're honest, you'd address what's being said.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Phat writes: ou don't get that nobody does what they should, though some put on a show. I think you'll find that that is exactly our point. You're the guy that talks to Jesus remember? You're the one that's saved. Yet you appear to be exactly like everyone else. Except you do the "Lord, Lord, Lord" stuff and watch a lot of YouTubes of people just like you. How does that work?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Dredge writes: The Holy Spirit has certainly "done its job" ... infallibly, in fact, through the Catholic Church. Catholics used to call it the Holy Ghost. Used to make me laugh - god's spook. He's actually the Holy Rapist though isn't he? He certainly did his job, just ask Mary. “ The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you” Catholic priests have carried on the tradition of rape right up to the current day. Catholics are very fond of their traditions.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9509 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
The jury has been back for years. The Exodus is pure myth.
quote: The Exodus - WikipediaJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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