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Genomicus
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Message 17 of 960 (801230)
03-04-2017 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Faith
03-04-2017 4:32 AM


I just heard a great talk by David Horowitz in which he characterized an argument between a leftist and a conservative as Godzilla against Bambi, because of the Left's powerful arsenal of accusations against the Right, the accusations of racism and all the rest of the PC baggage, while the right is always on the defensive and has nothing comparable to answer with.
There is a reason why the right-wing has nothing intellectually effective to answer with, but it's not because of anything related to childhood films and books. It's simply because, on the whole, right-wingers are notoriously incapable of mustering real evidence to support their position.
You say it's an "accusation of racism." Yet the racism among right-wingers is real; you would have us believe that the overt racism of conservative, right-wing America in the 50s and 60s simply disappeared overnight -- a notion that runs counter to all evidence.
- The "All Lives Matter" trope sprung up from conservative, right-wing America as a response to the "Black Lives Matter" movement. It wasn't a phrase after 9/11, or after Hurricane Katrina. It was specifically formulated after the Black Lives Matter movement gained traction; it's a reaction from right-wing America that seeks to minimize and erase the impact of #BlackLivesMatter. That's racism, because it's used as a cultural and social tool to suppress a legitimate movement for racial justice.
- When right-wing America seeks to eliminate Affirmative Action policies in university admissions, that's racism, because it disenfranchises blacks and other PoC to the (unearned) advantage of whites. And when right-wing college kids whine about not getting into the school of their choice "because of Affirmative Action," that's racism, too.
- When right-wingers complain about the Confederate flag's removal from South Carolina's state capitol, that's racism.
- When my sister's right-wing mother-in-law says the 60s were a dark time for America because of the Black Panthers and American Indian Movement, that's racism, too -- and it's a view held by many right-wingers who are so fundamentally blind (or refuse to see) to the violence of state-sanctioned racism that they abhor the Black Panther Party of the 60s.
The right-wing is actually replete with racist ideologies, and that's not an accusation but an observation built on years of accumulated evidence.
And when the right-wing demonizes those who identify as LGTBQ+ and seek to enforce their own view of morality through legislation, that's a lack of empathy and humanity. When right-wing America turns to a populist demagogue for salvation when their wallets take a hit, instead of pulling themselves up by their bootstraps like they've long told PoC to do, that's hypocrisy. When right-wingers accuse the Left of political correctness, while burning the jerseys of a football player who wouldn't stand for the national anthem, that's also hypocrisy.
And when they vote for a candidate who's entire campaign was launched with the lie of immigrant criminality, that's ignorance and bigotry.
You're right. Right-wing America doesn't have anything comparable to hurl at the American left.

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Message 23 of 960 (801240)
03-04-2017 3:32 PM
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03-04-2017 3:02 PM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
...it's that the Left has all the emotion-laden slogans aimed at character assassination.
You're making this up. The Right has plenty of emotion-laden slogans aimed at character assassination.
The Right is geared to discussion...
More stuff you're making up. Faith, you need to back up your claims with real evidence which establishes a standard for what constitutes "discussion," and then goes on to demonstrate that right-wing America is more geared to discussion than the left.
I'm sure there are some racists on the Right, but the vast majority are not and the term in any case is nothing but Political Correctness which is a method of destruction fueled by emotional moral indignation.
Racism is an empirical reality, so marginalizing the term to "nothing but Political Correctness" is in itself a defense of the current social and institutional structures which uphold racism.
I think they have legitimate causes but I also think they have chosen the wrong way to seek redress for those causes. The movement itself is unfortunately racist, at least on the part of some of the leaders and participants, so your argument that "All Lives Matter" is racist is bogus.
The Black Lives Matter movement is not racist. It is anti-racist. Your critique of their methods only shows the extent of your white privilege, wherein you believe you hold the answers to what the appropriate approach to fighting oppression is. Blacks are getting killed by cops, by a racist legal system which incarcerates blacks and destroys their communities; this is state-sanctioned violence with very real and very lethal effects. Your obsession with MLK Jr.'s methods vs. those of, e.g., Malcolm X shows your obsession with keeping the racist status quo in place so that white, right-wing America doesn't have their lives disrupted by BLM protesters (the cultural sanitization of MLK Jr.'s approach notwithstanding).
...but I do know that the Black Panthers were a band of murdering thugs and your sister's MIL is right about that.
Sure, and the American revolutionaries of the 1700s were also a band of murdering thugs. Look, the Black Panthers were fighting (racist) state violence with violence. It seems that that's acceptable for white America to do (Revolutionary War, the Alamo, etc.), but not for blacks. And that ideological hypocrisy is a manifestation of your racism.
This complaint about the right being against LGBTQ is also spurious. Trump came out in support of them but they go on as if he hadn't.
"Right-wing America can't be anti-LGTBQ+ because Trump isn't" sounds awfully like "America can't be racist because it has a black President." Even if Trump is authentically in support of LGBTQ+ rights, that doesn't mean that right-wing America as a whole is.
You can't make little girls feel comfortable or safe in a bathroom where men/boys are allowed.
That's the whole point of the fight for transgender rights. You can't make little girls -- who happen to be transgender -- feel comfortable in a bathroom where men/boys are allowed.
All you have to do is take your business elsewhere, nobody's forcing you to use a Christian business or agree with them.
"You can just take your business elsewhere, boy, nobody's forcing you to use a whites-only business."
Yeah, that's what you sound like.
And of course you descend to the stupidity of accusing Trump of identifying ALL ililegal aliens as criminal. Why can't you THINK?
"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
Trump said specifically that Mexican undocumented immigrants are rapists. He assumes that "some" are good people. This is a complete reversal of empirical reality. If his campaign was built more on a model of truth, and not lie, he would have said something like: "They're good people. And some, I assume, are rapists."
It's the right-wing base that cheered Trump for his demonization of undocumented immigrants. That's ignorance, and that's bigotry.
the Muslim refugee problem is not about race, it's about national security.
Oh, c'mon. If Trump was actually concerned with national security instead of scapegoating an entire religious group, he'd put up a Male Ban. The gender of an individual is a far, far greater predictor of violence than religion; so if Trump and right-wingers were concerned with national security, they'd at least champion "extreme vetting" for ALL males entering the country. That'd be based on empirical evidence instead of scapegoating.
But nope. You right-wingers love your scapegoats.
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Genomicus
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Message 25 of 960 (801244)
03-04-2017 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Faith
03-04-2017 3:39 PM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
Faith, I have no problem raising my fist on a university campus in a black power/Marxist/solidarity/whatever-the-freak you want to call it symbol, in front of a line of riot cops and Trump supporters. But yeah, sure, I'll sit for an hour and listen to the same whitewashed, right-wing claptrap I've heard since I was a child.

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Message 49 of 960 (801280)
03-04-2017 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Faith
03-04-2017 3:39 PM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
I listened to Horowitz's speech. It's, sadly, a textbook example of ignoring empirical reality to suit political agenda. Nothing new there, and I was hoping for so much more.
Anyway, now maybe you can explain why:
- You (presumably) think it's okay for American revolutionaries in 1775 and beyond to use violence against the state, but Black Panthers in the 60s are branded as "thugs" for resisting state-sanctioned violence with violence.
- You think it's okay for Trump to launch his entire campaign by painting undocumented immigrants as rapists and criminals, which flies in the face of reality.
- You think that national security is better preserved by banning or instituting "extreme vetting" of Muslim refugees instead of putting in place extreme vetting for all males, regardless of religious identity or national origin. The "national security" argument for barring or limiting Muslim refugees is egregious nonsense because the predominant predictor of violence is the gender of an individual, and not religion or national origin.

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Message 90 of 960 (801365)
03-05-2017 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Faith
03-05-2017 12:16 AM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
I'm talking about Political Correctness which is an arsenal of weapons used in the war against everybody who disagrees with them. Not the occasional epithet somebody on the right slings at a leftist in the heat of argument. There is no organized weaponry of character assassination on the right, but it is organized, systematic, virulent and practiced on the Left.
First, of course, I must highlight the irony -- as Dr. A did -- of suggesting that the right has no organized weaponry of character assassination, when your whole response could be used as a case study in the art of character assassination.
And you're wrong, of course: the right has its own armory of political correctness. That's why UNM professor Richard Berthold received death threats and was pressured to retire because of an "unpatriotic" quip he made to his class on 9/11; Mohammad Rahat of the University of Miami was suspended and fired from his university job; Jonnie Hargis of UCLA was suspended for an email critical of U.S. policy in Iraq and Israel; Columbia University professor Nicholas de Genova was roundly criticized by the public and members of the U.S. House of Representatives for his antiwar comments; and on and on.
This just a small sampling of the political correctness that the right seeks to enforce. This does not take into consideration the broader, historical "political correctness" from right-wing America, which was used, e.g., in the 90s to fire and suspend university faculty for presenting material that discussed homosexuality and gay rights.
And, of course, the right-wing can rely on more than just character assassination: if they don't like what you're saying, they can just deport you (e.g., the case of Daniela Vargas). This is all a rather far-cry from Horowitz's bizarre, truth-inverting portrayal of right-wingers as preferring a more analytical, "accountant style" of discussion.
Godzilla uses words to kill, Bambi answers with analysis of problems.
Nothing about Milo Yiannopoulos' speeches at universities are "analyses of problems." They are, instead, emotionally-laden and fact-free content that urge people to "purge local illegals" from campus by reporting them to ICE. In fact, Milo Yiannopoulos' and his fanboys routinely use character assassination and shaming to silence and intimidate e.g. trans folks.
Racism is a weapon the left uses against political opponents.
No, racism is a system of power and (unearned) privilege afforded to one racial group of people to the detriment of other racial groups.
If it weren't for the Left continually stirring the pot we could almost consider ourselves the colorblind nation MLK envisioned.
No, the problem isn't the Left. The problem is racism. And racism-blind people like you who, because of your white privilege and apparent incapacity to break through your delusions, are blind to the systems and institutions which continue to uphold and enforce racism.
This is mostly Marxist ideology/false analysis, though Modulous on the other thread has shown some reality to it. More Marxist talking points. No, it shows that I have respect for the laws that hold a nation together instead of allowing people to destroy it. MLK's methods worked.
No, you have respect for laws that systematically give you unearned advantage.
Malcolm X's methods worked.
Sure, and the American revolutionaries of the 1700s were also a band of murdering thugs.
That's a vicious evil lie. Vile pernicious ignorance of history. How dare you.
Are you done with your "OMG-that's-so-vile-I'm-going-to-throw-up" routine?
If you consider the Black Panther Party just a "band of murdering thugs," then one can consider the American revolutionaries a band of murdering thugs, too. I mean, I'm sure John Roberts -- a loyalist Charleston minister who was tarred, feathered, and murdered by an American revolutionary mob -- would agree with me on that.
Where are you getting your bogus evil history? The Black Panthers were self-serving thugs.
No, the Black Panther Party was fighting a system of racial injustice that routinely disenfranchised and killed black folks.
You know what he meant, you just want to engender hatred against him and his supporters.
Yes, I do know what he meant. He meant that when Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have lots of problems. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists.
That's what he meant. Do you know what he meant?
Meaning of course that the Left is about as bad mannered as you can get and civil people can't win against them without adopting their methods.
The "civilized" right prefers to deport, incarcerate, and kill the people they don't care for. I mean, who needs to be bad-mannered when you can just deport, incarcerate, and kill the people who don't fit the dimensions of your ideology, right?
Get off your high horse, get off your Offended Wounded Victim horse.
Lol.
No, that paragraph is just Marxist lies. Nobody has "demonized" ILLEGAL ALIENS (which is what "undocumented immigrants" are in Reality), and the ignorance and bigotry are all yours sweetheart. I hope you choke on it.
Yes, Trump has demonized undocumented immigrants. Milo has demonized undocumented immigrants. John Arpaio has demonized undocumented immigrants.
But you're not undocumented, so you wouldn't know what that routine, systematic demonization is like.
I'm sorry, you're a liar and a lunatic as well as an idiot.
Wat.
Learn something about Islam.
I know that Islam is a multifaceted, non-monolithic religion with hundreds of millions of people around the world with vastly different beliefs and social structures. I know that none of the many Muslims I personally know are seeking to kill me or convert me, despite the fact that I am not Muslim. I know that these Muslims have close friends in the LGBTQ+ community, in the Christian community, in the non-religious community, and many are strongly feminist.
So what do you know about Islam?
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Genomicus
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Message 91 of 960 (801368)
03-05-2017 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Faith
03-05-2017 3:13 PM


Re: The transphobia is all coming from the Right
Are we in some kind of epidemic of transgenderness these days?
No, just a never-ending epidemic of right-wing cisgenderness.

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Genomicus
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Message 94 of 960 (801372)
03-05-2017 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by Faith
03-05-2017 3:54 PM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
No, you may not obscure the point I was making about political correctness, which IS an organized systematic arsenal of weaponry of character assassination on the Left. No, the right wing has no such system.
No, Faith, you may not obscure the point I was making about political correctness, which IS an organized, systematic arsenal of weaponry of character assassination on the Right.
I'm not seeing you present any evidence that the Left's version of "Political Correctness" is more organized and systematic than the Right's version of PC.

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Message 101 of 960 (801390)
03-05-2017 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Faith
03-05-2017 4:28 PM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
Political Correctness is Leftist, came from Mao Tse Tung originally, defines all the Leftist categories of calumny against conservatives, and you may not co-opt it.
Political correctness as an idea doesn't have a concrete, singular origin. The Right has just as much PC-ness as the Left, and uses its version of PC to enforce a particular strain of "correct" ideology on the public and culture.

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Genomicus
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Message 163 of 960 (801504)
03-06-2017 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by Faith
03-06-2017 3:16 PM


Re: Political Correctness
I have not said one bigoted or racist thing here ever.
That you think that the Black Panther Party was a "band of murderous thugs," while the American revolutionaries were not, is a hint of the deep well of racism from which you continue to draw from. You apparently consider the existence of the white power structure of the 60s and 70s not deserving of the violence that British troops were subjected to in 1775 and beyond. One wonders why.
Your critique of anything that is unapologetically pro-black and anti-white-supremacy (e.g., Black Lives Matter) is another clue to your racism. Racism isn't just hurling epithets and discrimination against an individual; it can also manifest itself in the defense of white supremacy, power, and privilege, and that's something you routinely do.

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Message 175 of 960 (801537)
03-07-2017 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 165 by Faith
03-07-2017 2:09 AM


Re: Summary on PC
They call me a racist a bigot, a hater and the whole PC arsenal, but deny it while throwing the usual PC lies at me. They are sure they are right, just as I said, they can't understand how they aren't.
You're a weird one. As others have noted, this very nicely describes you: you are sure you are right, and can't imagine how you aren't.
To me that's amazing because it's so clearly exactly what I've said it is, and what Horowitz said it is in the video speech in the OP: The haughty moral certainty of it, the willingness to destroy the opponent.
Conservatives have just as much a strain of haughty moral certainty for their position as "Leftists" do. Conservatives have just as much (if not more) willingness to destroy their opponents. You're living in a world of delusion, Faith.
All that happens is that more PC trashing comes down on my head. It's hopeless.
Well, get of your Offended Wounded Victim horse and start engaging with the real arguments that have been put forth against your position. No need to make yourself out to be a special little snowflake.

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Message 216 of 960 (801724)
03-09-2017 10:55 AM
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03-09-2017 10:41 AM


The videos show very few women and children. One after another shows young men involved in violent acts, running through the streets, assembled en masse. Some are on audio calling for the destruction of Europe in Arabic. The problem is simply that you don't want to believe it, you want to believe the propaganda that says all is well. I wonder when the truth will finally hit you.
No, Faith, you are either a liar or incredibly easy to manipulate and incapable of presenting reputable evidence. For example, one of your videos features "Muslims attacking a Christmas tree." This didn't happen; this is reality distortion. The actual event took place in a Cairo mall, and it wasn't even an anti-Christmas affair. See here: http://www.snopes.com/offended-muslims-attack-christmas-tree
You have repeatedly been shown to lack the ability to discern good sources of evidence from laughably ridiculous sources of evidence, so where's the work ethic, Faith? Why don't you put in the work to actually vet your sources?

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Message 231 of 960 (801776)
03-09-2017 2:55 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by New Cat's Eye
03-09-2017 1:02 PM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
That's not really a fair comparison. Jim Crow Laws were just that; laws. They were put on by the state, not the capitalists. Businesses had to comply with them.
No Jim Crow Laws stipulated that all businesses had to be whites only. These laws did enforce discrimination in public accommodations -- but private businesses also had the liberty to only accept whites if they so chose, as Randall Kennedy alluded to in his essay "The Civil Rights Act's Unsung Victory":
"The drive took us into territory that featured signs distinguishing 'colored women' from 'white ladies,' signs indicating whether a business served blacks, signs designating which toilets or water fountains or entrances African Americans were permitted to use. In those days it was legal throughout the Deep South for privately owned places of public accommodation to exclude people on the basis of race colored not allowed or to discriminate against them in other ways colored served only in the rear. This reality prompted Victor H. Green, of Harlem, to publish The Negro Motorist Green Book, a guide to establishments throughout the United States that served black travelers. He understood the anxiety that beset African Americans as they sought to obtain elementary decencies on the nation’s highways."
The comparison, then, is entirely fair.

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Message 680 of 960 (812382)
06-16-2017 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 600 by Faith
06-15-2017 1:43 AM


Re: more of the same
You'd think I'd be happy that we got Trump who represents my view of a secure and prosperous America, but the Left isn't going to let the rest of us enjoy our victory. They actually have a Resistance movement to thwart our will, the will of the other half of the voting population that disagree with them. What has happened to civility, to our vaunted freedoms?
These "vaunted freedoms" you speak of only existed for a specific subset of individuals in the United States. Trump's supporters wants to reinforce that exclusion. That's the problem.
Where are the voices decrying a comedian's holding up the severed head of OUR chosen President?
If you had more concern for the plight of undocumented immigrants -- which is an actual humanitarian concern -- then maybe you'd understand why a comedian holding up a severed head pales in comparison to what the right-wing is doing.

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Message 682 of 960 (812386)
06-16-2017 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 681 by Faith
06-16-2017 9:52 AM


Re: more of the same
Neither Trump nor his supporters are for restricting freedoms of anybody.
They are all for restricting the freedoms of undocumented immigrants.
As for "undocumented" aliens I'm sure there are more or less humane ways of dealing with the problem and I'm sure all us Trump supporters are for the most humane ways.
I mean not all of you Trump supporters. I was having a discussion on Quora the other day where this Trump supporter proposed rounding up all undocumented immigrants and forcing them to do free labor. You fundamentally do not understand the degree of vitriol that undocumented immigrants face on the regular from many Trump supporters.
But it IS a problem which the Left seems determined to deny.
What is the problem, exactly, of granting a pathway to citizenship to someone who was brought here at 2 years of age and has been in the United States ever since and has been thoroughly "Americanized"?
Illegal entry into the US IS illegal, and the Leftist opposition to doing something about it borders on treason.
And the rightist opposition to understanding the plight of undocumented immigrants and what systems create that plight borders on inhumanity.
Could care less about treason if it means doing something that's actually humane and fosters a respect for human dignity.
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Message 701 of 960 (812450)
06-16-2017 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 683 by Faith
06-16-2017 10:41 AM


Re: more of the same
OK, excuse my inexactness. All sane societies restrict the freedoms of people who commit criminal acts.
And insane societies criminalize people for reasons rooted in fear, bigotry, and anti-humaneness. Which is what U.S. society has been doing for around 2 centuries. So it's not like we're starting out with a sane society in the U.S. in the first place.
They have no right to be here and though we are to treat them as humanely as possible we have the right to deport them...
So, ergo, you're all for restricting the freedoms of these people. Therefore, Trump supporters are indeed in favor of restricting the freedom of several millions of people. That's my point. You can try to provide all the justification you want, but my point still stands.
I mean not all of you Trump supporters. I was having a discussion on Quora the other day where this Trump supporter proposed rounding up all undocumented immigrants and forcing them to do free labor.
Perhaps that would be a fair solution, something to think about.
This is why it's always okay to punch a Nazi.
Perhaps I don't but the situation of having people given rights they don't deserve...
Undocumented immigrants who have actually contributed a great deal of value to society (as most of them have) deserve their rights a whole lot more than some Middle America kid who didn't do anything but pop out through an American citizen's birth canal.
Why is the Left always soft on lawbreakers and against the rights of rightful citizens?
Because a great number of laws are designed to protect the interests of a particular group of people while engendering the institutionalized oppression of others. The law isn't sacrosanct.
You need to acknowledge the rights of those average ordinary American citizens who are rightfully angry at your tolerance of lawbreakers -- their "inhumanity" is really just righteous anger and it's because of the insanity of the Left that it exists at all.
No, their anger results from their knee-jerk fear of brown people. And their fear of losing their thoroughly unearned privileges. It's far, far from righteous anger.

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