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NoNukes Inactive Member
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It does not make any difference whether we contribute global warming or not. The Sun is going to get so big it will swallow the earth about 4 billion years from now. Which means that it will cease to have water a long time before then. This has to be about the silliest argument I've heard, ICANT. Global warming will be a problem for our children and grand children. None of them have to worry about the sun getting hotter due to consuming its hydrogen and helium.
That means that the Sun is increasing in size every day which is making the earth warmer. The sun increases in size a tiny amount up until the time when the core starts burning helium. Your argument has a gross conceptual error. Here is a similar argument. You are going to die one day, so why buy any groceries this week? Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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ICANT writes: So which is it that is doing the damage, man or the Sun? quote: Maybe you shouldn't get your science info from cartoons.
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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 739 days) Posts: 2236 Joined: |
The Saturday June 3, 2017 New York Times doesn't use the term "base load" but it sure does sound like it is an accurate interpretation of the text in the article, Until Recently a Coal Goliath, Energy-Hungry India Is Rapidly Turning Green
Here is the shocking snip, on A10, which is where the front page A1 story led to.
quote: I think the environmental community needs a New Deal offer to negotiate with political decision makers. It can go something like this : "Once the alternative energy sources - specifically wind and solar - become both total BASE LOAD CAPABLE and cheaper "new power" sources than gas & coal, then we shall agree to build the installations and then shut down the conventionally powered plants ". The shutting down of existing plants before the normal decommissioning (retirement date when the older plants expire ) means that the newer built (solar for example ) plants will be "more expensive" energy ( since being the cheapest "new energy" source IF NOTHING IS PRESENT TO START WITH isn't the same thing as shutting down something already up and running ), but the fact that the renewable energy is base load would be so utterly game changing that the argument, for the government financing - as part of a "free stuff" social program - the building of the new utility UPFRONT (which would, first, create construction jobs, then enable cheaper energy thereafter without further subsidies or supplemented power from conventional sources ) , would make fairy decent economic sense. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Hi NoNukes,
NoNukes writes: Global warming will be a problem for our children and grand children. None of them have to worry about the sun getting hotter due to consuming its hydrogen and helium. Was there trees and vegetation growing in the artic circles where there is ice today, at one time in the past? If not how did the material for the oil get there to produce the oil that is there. How much warmer was the earth when there was no polar caps? You guys have too much faith in what you are told. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Hi ringo,
ringo writes: Maybe you shouldn't get your science info from cartoons. I don't think Scientific America, Smithsonian.com, or Penn State Science, would take kindly to you calling them a cartoon. In Scientific America September issue 2008 they had an article by David Appeil titled, The Sun will Eventually Engulf Earth...Maybe. It was previously published as, "A Solar Big Gulp". In the article it talks about the sun expanding as well as getting brighter. The Smithsonian published an article August 21, 2012.Title: Earth Will Die a Hot Horrible Death when the Sun Expands and Swallows Us, and Now We Know What That Looks Like. It seems some Astronomers "BD+48 740 signs that it had recently enveloped and consumed one of its planets. Which is what the Sun will do to earth. The original story can be found...http://science.psu.edu/news-and-events/2012-news/Wolszczan8-2012. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Hi Taq
Taq writes: Where did you hear that from? Science papers. God Bless"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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jar Member (Idle past 395 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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It is not those publications people are laughing at. It is your silly idea that the warming is caused by the sun expanding that is so laughable.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
Did you miss the words "eventually" and "maybe"? Does the article suggest that it has anything to do with the earth warming NOW?
In Scientific America September issue 2008 they had an article by David Appeil titled, The Sun will Eventually Engulf Earth...Maybe. It was previously published as, "A Solar Big Gulp".
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined:
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Your honour, I am not guilty of murdering my 20 year old brother. It was a mercy killing since he was dying.
Science tells me he was going to be dead of old age in less than 80 years.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
It seems some Astronomers "BD+48 740 signs that it had recently enveloped and consumed one of its planets. Which is what the Sun will do to earth. Yes, ICANT. That is one of the possibilities for what might happen 5 billion years from now. So why even buy sunscreen this summer when we know that the oceans are going to boil away in the future? Are quote miners real people? From the article...
quote: Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Not really, it is a theory that is imposed on nature so consistently that you think you are observing it. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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Taq Member Posts: 9973 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
ICANT writes: Science papers. You will need to quote and cite those science papers for us.
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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 739 days) Posts: 2236 Joined:
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quote: Read on and see that Trump will weigh the evidence before deciding to impose crippling and job ruining tariffs. Utility scale solar (which rooftop solar panels are not included) produced about 21.75 giga watts of electricity in 2016. That came to about 2% of all utility scale power. Wind was over 6% of all utility scale power. That means that the 8% in 2016 and perhaps 9% in 2017(?) will be about 1/7 the total output of the fossil fuel percentage. The ratio was about 13:1 in 2014 so the perhaps 7:1 ratio for 2017 is impressive progress. Free trade creates American jobs and this whole solar panel issue proves it. Or put another way: Low cost Chinese imports do not hurt American jobs. Or another way: Free trade with China helps create more American jobs than we would have otherwise. WHY? HOW? Because lower cost products help the retail and installation industry massively. Because the thousands of saved consumer dollars can then be spent on something else (American consumers get the same solar product but have tons of $$$ left over to make many other big purchases) and yet more jobs are created still. And what about the benefit of having lots of energy from the sun captured for use (as opposed to simply being wasted which happens when there aren't ever more solar panels to catch the rays)? Free Trade is major driver of worldwide growth and we need to show Trump that we know it.
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