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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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JonF Member (Idle past 188 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Are you saying you refuse to look at contradictory evidence?
No matter how many feeble excuses you make, there is precedent for any maligning of Trump (for which you still refuse to provide evidence of any unfairness or lies) and it was set by the right wing under Obama.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's obvious. Marc has done a good job on the facts and you're all blind to them so what's the point? There are lots of good sources of the truth and I try to listen to some of them every day. The haters of Trump are crazy, the world is going to Hell thanks to the Left. And all you do is vilify the people who know the truth. I don't see any way out.
I WISH Obama had been maligned to the extent Trump is but he wasn't, and he's still the darling of the demented destructive Left. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 188 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
It's obvious. I.e. you have no evidence or argument. Thought so.
Marc has done a good job on the facts and you're all blind to them so what's the point? The point is truth. Something which obviously doesn't interest you, since you refuse to look at contradictory evidence.
I WISH Obama had been maligned to the extent Trump is Obama was maligned much more than Trump.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Obama was maligned much more than Trump. Especially if "maligned" means the accusations were untrue and unreasonable.Freedom is merely privilege extended, unless enjoyed by one and all. — Billy Bragg
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Faith writes: I WISH Obama had been maligned to the extent Trump is but he wasn't, The ability of conservatives to tell such blatant lies still stuns me.
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1045 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined:
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In both cases they're wrong. In the first instance, there's a debate to be had about the impact of imperialist pasts, but certainly neither I nor you (I'm a white person, and I am supposing you are too, but please correct me if not) are responsible for the world's ills. In the second instance, that's bullying, and the appropriate interventions should happen - school, parents, and other societal pressures. But neither adds up to hate speech, because vulnerable groups in society are not being targeted for their vulnerability. We preserve special punishments for hate speech (at least in the UK), and they should only be applied to limit free speech in defence of those vulnerable groups. Not to say those situations aren't wrong - they are. But where more vulnerable people are targeted, extra protections are appropriate. Your understanding of the purpose and application of hate crime laws in the UK is wrong, since they make no distinction as to whether or not the group to whom the hate is directed is especially vulnerable. Hate crimes directed against dominant and majority groups are still hate crimes - one of the most famous convictions for incitement to racial hatred was that of Abu Hamza. Whilst some of his charges were specifically for incitement to murder Jews; he was also convicted of incitement to murder non-Muslims in general. There was a prominent news story this year when someone spat in a baby's face and informed it's mother than 'white people shouldn't breed'. He was convicted of racially-aggravated assault. This was actually his third conviction for a hate crime specifically directed at white people. These are not the only cases - just the two most prominent news stories I could think of. Outdated stats from 10 years ago show that half of the convictions for crimes motivated by racial hatred were perpetrated against white people. This does include 'white-on-white' hate (English against Polish, for example), but other cited cases included a white guy beat by Bangladeshis and a white Scottish man murdered by an Asian man. You may be of the opinion that we should reserve the term 'hate crime' for crimes committed against vulnerable minority groups, but that's not how the law in the UK is written or applied.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's my honest opinion, as I've explained many times already which apparently you haven't bothered to read. Obama had the media and Hollywood and the comedians on his side for starters. The conservatives hated him, rightly, but don't have the influence of those sources who are all in favor of Obama still, while they endlessly tear down Trump. You just have no perspective whatever. But then Leftists don't.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
They weren't untrue and unreasonable and I expect that eventually it will all come out too. Obama was the worst President we've ever had, a traitor.
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JonF Member (Idle past 188 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
And yet no evidence or reason to believe he committed any crimes, much less treason.
You sure love it inside your little right-wing bubble of hate. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh there's evidence, twisted and buried by the Left though.
We hate the right things, too bad the Left loves evil so much. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 188 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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And you still haven't answered the question: What lies?
Obama's a Muslim in league with / leading ISIS.Obama's not a natural-born US citizen. Obama's after your guns. Obama's going to repeal the Constitution and Declaration of Independence and institute a Communnist government. And my personal favorite; Jade Helm. Obama's going to take over all the Southwest states with the aid the Chinese army which is hidden in caves and tunnels under closed Walmarts in Texas. Governor Abbot activated the State Guard to prevent this. So, you bugged me over several messages to list some lies, i did, and you ran like a scared little bunny. Do you need a longer list? I can easily produce one. Still no posting of lies about Trump. Guess there aren't any.
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JonF Member (Idle past 188 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Still in the bubble. Terrified of looking outside at contradictory evidence. Poor "inerrant" Faith.
Got any specific evidence of the Left loving evil? Didn't think so. Got any list of lies about Trump? Didn't think so. Do you condemn what Nugent and Jones said? Didn't think so.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
So, you bugged me over several messages to list some lies, i did, and you ran like a scared little bunny. Do you need a longer list? I can easily produce one. Still no posting of lies about Trump. Guess there aren't any. What? The lies I was asking about were those you said were told in that Jones-nugent exchange. (see Message 720) I don't agree that what you are calling lies here are lies but it wasn't the question anyway. You said the Jones and Nugent exchange was "chock full of lies." Name one. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 188 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Oh there's evidence, twisted and buried by the Left though. Pathetic. If it's buried how do you know about it? Seems it can't be buried or you don't know if it exists. If you know about it why can't you produce it? And all those non-existent "lies" about Trump....
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You don't want to know the truth, so what's the point? Every headline I see is a lie about Trump, but if I point it out the Left denies it so what's the point.
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