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Author Topic:   Exploring (mostly Cultural) Marxism in today's Left
jar
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Message 2 of 381 (812780)
06-20-2017 8:34 AM


A great source for the actual information on Marxism
A great source for the actual information on Marxism can be found at What is Marxism which provides a different view than the caricature of Marxism that is the current Republican Conservative fantasy.
Edited by jar, : fix url
Edited by jar, : fix the fix

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Message 4 of 381 (812786)
06-20-2017 8:40 AM
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06-20-2017 8:36 AM


Re: A great source for the actual information on Marxism
I did provide a summary of the content at the link (literally hundreds of pages and articles there).
The summary is "The link I provided shows a different view of Marxism than the caricature being marketed by Faith and the US conservative Republicans".

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Message 7 of 381 (812808)
06-20-2017 10:28 AM
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06-20-2017 8:36 AM


Re: A great source for the actual information on Marxism
to help keep Faith's panties from getting in a wad...
quote:
The theories of Marxism provide the thinking worker with such an understanding--a thread which is capable of leading him through the confused labyrinth of events, of the complex processes of society, of economics, of the struggle of classes, of politics. Armed with this sword the worker can cut the Gordian knot which binds him to the mightiest obstacle in the way of the advancement of himself and his class--ignorance.
source
The Theories of Marxism like the Theory of Evolution and Germ Theory are tools to help thinking individuals overcome ignorance and advance towards a better life for all.

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Message 10 of 381 (812816)
06-20-2017 10:58 AM
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06-20-2017 10:32 AM


Re: Leszek Kołakowski
A Marxist philosopher and writer whose style is far more approachable and readable IMHO is Leon Trotsky. His writings have been collected at Collected Writings of Leon Trotsky.

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Message 52 of 381 (812964)
06-21-2017 5:42 PM
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06-21-2017 4:36 PM


Re: Chapter One: Communist Manifesto
Nor is the stuff Faith's sources are marketing even vaguely related to Marxism as expected.

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Message 70 of 381 (812999)
06-22-2017 7:59 AM
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06-22-2017 3:45 AM


the law and the implementation
Faith writes:
American immigration law is not unjust.
There is a big difference between immigration laws and immigration enforcement. The issue is that the implementation is unjust.

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jar
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Message 77 of 381 (813011)
06-22-2017 9:51 AM
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06-22-2017 9:39 AM


Re: the law and the implementation
Faith writes:
If the implementation is unjust then see what can be done to change it, stop screaming about Trump and go about legally changing what needs to be changed. Legally, with respect for law.
This is exactly what people are doing. They are suing the Trump Administration and Trump himself using the US Legal institution called the Court System.
And so far they are, Thank God, winning.
But that still does not remove the pain and suffering the current crop of Brown Shirts are causing.

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jar
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Message 78 of 381 (813015)
06-22-2017 9:56 AM
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06-22-2017 9:46 AM


Re: Chapter One: Communist Manifesto
Right Wing Conservatism is an evil murderous ideology. Individual conservatives are not the ideology.
Islam isn't an ideology. At the moment it's mostly a reaction against American Imperialism.

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jar
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Message 81 of 381 (813019)
06-22-2017 10:10 AM
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06-22-2017 9:56 AM


Re: the law and the implementation
Faith writes:
When the real Fascists call Trump a fascist it's all over for America.
You can say that all you want but that is simply a really stupid comment that totally ignores reality or any reason.
Look at the definition and characteristics of Fascism.
quote:
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
source
You can't call the left-wing Fascist and be honest, nor is it possible to be a Marxist Fascist.
Now there certainly is Christian Fascism and that is common in Conservative Christianity.
Marxism and Communism were never Fascist.
You can complain about Marxist characteristics in Socialism or today's Liberal movements or past Progressive movements but to then call them "real Fascist" is simply silly.

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Message 82 of 381 (813022)
06-22-2017 10:15 AM
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06-22-2017 9:58 AM


Re: Chapter One: Communist Manifesto
Faith writes:
Funny how you can't tolerate the truth and resort to childish mimicry which of course promotes a lie.
I have no problem with truth but often find it worthwhile to point out just how silly some assertions are.
Both
Faith writes:
Islam is an evil murderous ideology. Individual Muslims are not the ideology.
Rightwing American politics isn't an ideology At the moment it's mostly a reaction against evil anti-American Marxism.
and
jar writes:
Right Wing Conservatism is an evil murderous ideology. Individual conservatives are not the ideology.
Islam isn't an ideology. At the moment it's mostly a reaction against American Imperialism.
are just unsupported assertions, not truths or even evidenced.
Neither comment really deserves much consideration and a thinking person would reject both immediately as simply worthless.

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Message 86 of 381 (813060)
06-22-2017 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Phat
06-22-2017 11:43 AM


Re: Chapter One: Communist Manifesto
Phat writes:
Comments?
Yeah, that drawing is silly and meaningless.

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Message 93 of 381 (813097)
06-23-2017 7:24 AM
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06-23-2017 6:10 AM


Re: RE Ideological stuff? What?
Just a few minor corrections.
1066 is one of the two significant historical dates (see 1066 and all that for the other date) but it is not when the Christian Church split between Orthodox and Roman Catholic. Not even close.
But it is a significant date and so worth investing time to see just what did happen then.

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jar
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Message 97 of 381 (813101)
06-23-2017 8:07 AM
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06-23-2017 7:39 AM


Re: Marx and Satan
Anyone that brings Satan into a discussion of Marxism or Capitalism or Communism or any other ideology should simply be laughed off the stage.

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jar
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Message 100 of 381 (813113)
06-23-2017 9:16 AM
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06-23-2017 8:16 AM


Re: Marx and Satan
Phat writes:
Marx messed things up for a lot of us in the world
Do you think the workers should have any rights over how they are paid, treated, perform their duties or should the bosses make all those decisions?
Guess what. The former is Marxist, the latter Capitalist.

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jar
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Message 102 of 381 (813116)
06-23-2017 9:55 AM
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06-23-2017 9:43 AM


Re: Marx and Satan
Do you think that the rich manipulate the tax code and health benefits so they get breaks that the workers do not?

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