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Author Topic:   Exploring (mostly Cultural) Marxism in today's Left
ringo
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Message 14 of 381 (812826)
06-20-2017 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Faith
06-20-2017 7:53 AM


Faith writes:
I can't get through The Communist Manifesto....
Then you're thoroughly unqualified to discuss it. maybe you should change the topic title to, "Rumours I Have Heard About Marxism."

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Message 84 of 381 (813055)
06-22-2017 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Phat
06-22-2017 11:43 AM


Re: Chapter One: Communist Manifesto
Phat writes:
Comments?
Your chart puts Clinton to the left of Socialism. Was it made up by the same loons who call Obama a socialist?

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ringo
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Message 108 of 381 (813133)
06-23-2017 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Faith
06-23-2017 8:12 AM


Re: Marx and Satan
Faith writes:
The book is interesting, a biographical study of Marx showing his turning from his Christian upbringing to hatred of God.
You'll do anything to avoid reading the actual book that we're supposed to be discussing, won't you?

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ringo
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Message 110 of 381 (813135)
06-23-2017 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Faith
06-23-2017 12:42 PM


Re: Marx and Satan
Faith writes:
I said in the OP that Marxism is so odious to me I really can't read the official documents....
How can something be so "odious" to you when you don't know the first thing about it?
Faith writes:
As for the book Marx and Satan, it's far more accessible and easy to read and it's certainly not off topic.
"I'm sorry, teacher. I didn't have time to read the textbook beause I was searching all over town for the CliffsNotes."
Faith writes:
Instead of your usual one-liner put-downs do you think you could manage to give your view of Marxism instead?
I think Marx's analysis of history turned out to be a little off the mark. The working class has been seduced by capitalism to the point where the most lumpen of the lumpenproletariat think they're "capitalists". The Confederates who fought for slavery were mostly too poor to own slaves and the strongest proponents of capitalism are also the poor.

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ringo
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Message 114 of 381 (813141)
06-23-2017 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Faith
06-23-2017 1:19 PM


Re: Marx and Satan
Faith writes:
Not being able to get through the official documents certainly doesn't mean I don't know the basics of Marxism.
You're attacking a strawman of Marxism, so yeah, it kinda does.
Faith writes:
So you really have no cause for making such an issue of this.
I'm not making an issue. I'm just pointing out the obvious.

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ringo
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Message 173 of 381 (813292)
06-25-2017 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by Faith
06-25-2017 2:44 PM


Re: Health Care and Retirement
Faith writes:
You have to have the objective of killing Christianity and a lot of the human race to be a Satanist.
So there's no such thing as a Satanist.

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ringo
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Message 175 of 381 (813294)
06-25-2017 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Faith
06-25-2017 3:13 PM


Re: Health Care and Retirement
Faith writes:
All the pitiless denunciations of God and Christ and the whole human race?
What have denunciations of God and Christ got to do with "killing Christianity and a lot of the human race"?

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ringo
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Message 193 of 381 (813329)
06-26-2017 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by caffeine
06-20-2017 4:09 PM


Re: Chapter One
caffeine writes:
(didn't listen far, but I'm not filled with confidence in the narrator given that he mispronounced Engels' first name).
When we talk about Paris, we don't pronounce it, "Pa-REE." When speaking English, I don't think we're obligated to fake a French accent or a German accent. I think "FREED-rick" is a perfectly acceptable pronunciation.
(Though it does grate on me when a certain German philosopher's name is pronounced "NEET-shee".)

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ringo
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Message 194 of 381 (813330)
06-26-2017 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 179 by Faith
06-25-2017 9:38 PM


Re: Pastor Wurmbrand
Faith writes:
Pastor Wurmbrand was no "nutjob."
I've corresponded with Wurmbrand. I think he was sincere. I wouldn't call him a "nutjob" but he definitely had a paranoia about communism. Like many people, he confused communism with the Soviet system - which has more to do with endemic Russian paranoia than with Marx. Tsarist Russia was the same and post-Soviet Russia is the same.

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ringo
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Message 206 of 381 (813418)
06-27-2017 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 198 by Faith
06-26-2017 2:21 PM


Re: Pastor Wurmbrand
Faith writes:
Communism has also been "confused with" the Khmer Rouge and Maoism.
Correct. Just like you confuse communism with Satanism and "Leftism". Sometimes people use a label like "communist" or "Christian" when it isn't warranted.

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ringo
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Message 222 of 381 (813568)
06-28-2017 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by caffeine
06-28-2017 1:48 PM


Re: Cultural Marxism: The Architects of Western Decline
caffeine writes:
Was that an intentional joke?
Since Faith never looks in the mirror, it occurs to me that she may be a vampire - or at least a cultural vampire.

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Message 228 of 381 (813646)
06-29-2017 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 226 by Faith
06-28-2017 11:26 PM


Re: A Review of what Classical and Cultural Marxism have in common
Faith writes:
They control us by their PC epithets. Or you who agree with them control the rest of us. It's a diabolically effective form of censorship, enforcer of conformity and denier of freedom of speech.
"Wolf! Wolf! Why won't you let me cry Wolf!?"

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ringo
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Message 230 of 381 (813651)
06-29-2017 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by Faith
06-29-2017 12:10 PM


Re: A Review of what Classical and Cultural Marxism have in common
Faith writes:
Europe is completely controlled by PC, that's why they're getting destroyed by "immigrants," the Marxist Victim / Oppressed Group du jour.
(I thought you were the oppressed one.)
What about Canada? Immigrants are our strength. My grandparents were immigrants.

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ringo
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Message 234 of 381 (813665)
06-29-2017 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 231 by Faith
06-29-2017 12:28 PM


Re: A Review of what Classical and Cultural Marxism have in common
Faith writes:
I'm the Oppressor according to Marxism. I'm white, I'm a Christian and I'm an American. Grade A Oppressor, nothing worse than my kind.
That's right. You're the oppressor according to reality. Ever hear of history?
You're just complaining that your ability to oppress is being curtailed. But removing your ability to enslave doesn't make you a slave.
Faith writes:
My father was an immigrant. A LEGAL immigrant.
I have no idea whether my grandparents were "legal" or not. Western Canada was a wild and wooly place a hundred years ago. I doubt if anybody could tell legals from illegals. I do know that my mother's parents lived on both sides of the 49th parallel from time to time so they might have been legal on one side and illegal on the other.
Faith writes:
But Marxism favors ILLEGAL immigrants.
Well, Marxism favours the rights and needs of the workers over the arbitrary laws and borders that the rich use to protect their wealth.
Faith writes:
Only a Marxist would call an illegal immigrant an "immigrant."
Only a Marxist would call a brown cow a cow. Seems fair.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 235 of 381 (813666)
06-29-2017 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by Faith
06-29-2017 12:44 PM


Re: Once again, Faith presents no evidence that anyone controls her, censors her, enforce
Faith writes:
Anybody paying any attention at all to discussions at EvC knows that I get slapped down frequently with Marxist accusations.
You do a hell of a lot more slapping than getting slapped.

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