Exploring (mostly Cultural) Marxism in today's Left

I agree fully that we need to keep in mind the context of the times that Marx and Engels wrote in.The Industrial Revolution was a massively dehumanizing period. Remember the Luddites. They were weavers, skilled tradesmen who made a good living. They wove when they wanted to and could take time off when they wanted. It was a good life. Then the factories and the machines arrived that unskilled people could run. Their entire livelihood was being taken away from them. Sound familiar?Capitalism is a good economic system, in theory. But when allowed to run unchecked it can be mercilessly brutal. When the bottom line is all that matters, people get destroyed.There's a good example of that in modern times: Walmart. Their employees are chronically under-employed, precisely to keep them from getting any employee benefits. When you hire on, you are carefully trained in how to apply for welfare, because, even though you are working, you also have to be on welfare in order to just survive. That is all for the good of Walmart's bottom line. This is also a living example of how capitalism depends on socialism.A balance has to be reached.

Responding may not be worth your time. You won't convince LNA, and the rest of us know that he's talking crap. If you really feel your are helping out some lurker who trusts what he reads here, or you just cannot let crap go unchallenged, then of course go right ahead.Yes, this conspiracy crap about civil rights being a plan by Jews to hurt black folks has floated around, but primarily the conspiracy has life among folks just as ignorant about the civil rights movement as LamarkNewAge. Just more Illuminati stuff. LNA is continually bragging about having his thumb on the pulse of the black community via his millions of conversations with black folks. I don't buy it.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

You have no clue about the anti Semitic obsession among a massive chuck of blacks. I have noticed that it doesn't get reported on much, so that explains your ignorance. I have never heard so many anti Semitic theories from anybody else. I have yet to hear too many west European whites say hardly anything bad about Jews in all of my personal conversations. Honestly, aside from the internet. I have been alot of places too.I just find this whole obsession over Marxism to be rediculous considering the anti Semitic right winger who just took over in Hungary. He sounds like so many blacks when he attacks George Soros. He shut down a university that Soros funded and said that Soros is plotting to undermine the nation and Europe with open border pro immigration propaganda.But we need to worry about long dead Marxism?More right wing propaganda which is designed to distort and distract from neo fascist threats that actually are very real.Soros escaped Hungary as a young man, now he is 85 I think.Unreal things that I just can't believe.

You can try to blur the line between the Civil Rights movement and the 1968 race riots (which were fueled by nationalist movements ) ,but your lack of parsing the separation of the various cross currents will be noticed.Remember the Michigan debate that George Stephanapolis moderated? He pointed out the economic destruction that the 1968 race riots brought to Detroit. You know that "white flight " issue that sunk the budgets of so many cities in the 70s?People in New York City known what really happened (though it doesn't get talked about much in print )

You have it all backwards and twisted up and mangled to the point where it doesn't stand up to any sort of scholarly rigor.So-called "race riots" weren't fueled by nationalists movements. They were fueled by the violence of a staunchly, brutal anti-black racial politics -- which manifested itself in physical violence from state power (and others), educational and economical disparities, legal injustices, and housing inequities structured by a racist judicial system.All of this was the fuel to the fire of the black voice that spoke loudly and forcefully through riots, demonstrations, marches, and Black Power self-defense groups. Nationalist movements weren't the cause of riots; injustice, propagated by a white supremacist national consciousness, was the cause of riots and sparked the rise of militant Black Power groups which resisted this anti-black racism and oppression.That you don't understand this speaks volumes about your non-understanding of black and African-American history.Addendum: NoNukes is right. You're just another conspiracy theorist who doesn't know the difference between a crumby micro-news-site trying to make a few dollars off of ads and actual scholarly work.Edited by Genomicus, : No reason given.

I've heard more anti-Semitic sentiments from whites than from blacks. So that's a pretty effective counterpoint to your whole non-rigorous argument. Umm, it's 2017. There are like airplanes and shit. We've all been a lot of places. Doesn't mean much.

The Black Panthers were Marxist, maybe nationalist too, but certainly Marxist, and New Left (Marxist) leader David Horowitz had been supporting them until they murdered a friend of his, which is what caused him to leave the Left/Marxism and become the prominent neoconservative he is today. There are many forms of Marxism and it is certainly alive and well in the universities, never ever "fell apart" at all and still dominates education in the US. A class in "Critical Theory" or something along the lines of "Deconstructing Literature" would be examples of Marxist education. If you are insisting on classical economic Marxism I don't know how much of that is taught, but some for sure: I happen to have had a friend who goes way way back who was a professor at a California university teaching a course in Marxism in the History Department. He taught it for all I know until very recently. Perhaps he's retired now, or maybe he's still teaching, I haven't been in touch for over a decade. But Marxism was alive and well in his professorship at a major university for decades. Here's a Google page of headlines just to show that a lot of sources agree with this point. Just scan the headlines and a sentence or two. One entry is someone who says three out of five of his professors are Marxist. If necessary I can link to specific articles but the Google page gets across the fact that it's common knowledge that Marxism is big in the universities. Yes I am looking at the "broad Left" you could say and I know it's Marxist because I know what the terms mean, I recognize the "Class Struggle" theme and the "Victim Politics" and "Identity Politics" in it, all Marxist themes. I see how race is being used in a Marxist way for instance, to identify an enemy class or Oppressor class. These are all Marxist concepts. When you hear about "White privilege" you are hearing a Marxist theme based on the idea of Class Struggle/Victim Politics/Political Correctness (which came out of the Cultural Marxism of the 60s). Marxism is so embedded in today's politics and educated people's minds you may not recognize it, but it's pervasive, inescapable. Few know they are full of Marxist ideas but because they are the nation is being destroyed. You just don't know how to recognize the terminology. The whole push for Muslim immigration both here and in Europe where they are going under as a result of it, the reason heads of state are being so welcoming of this murderous ideology, the reason the Mayor of London can say people have to get used to terrorism, is due to Marxist indoctrination/ political correctness that insists Muslims are an underclass to be protected, denying their ideological mission. It's evil and it's destroying Europe. Horowitz was a lone courageous voice during the AIDS epidemic, he didn't "take on" any of that from anywhere else, he was an independent observer of how AIDS was killing people and how political correctness was covering it up, and probably one of those instrumental in getting the gay baths of San Francisco shut down. Horowitz was a major voice of the New Left in the sixties, born and raised a "red diaper baby" by Communist parents, who left it all when he found out the Black Panthers he'd been avidly supporting murdered a friend of his who had also been supporting them. That was his turning point and ever since he's been a powerful voice for neoconservatism. His online presence is Front Page Mag and a couple other websites related to it. He discovered the evil in Leftism, Marxism etc. and has been fighting it ever since. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I have read NOTHING from any site before I posted. I have no clue what crumbly site you are referring to. NoNukes said I read what site?I did do a quick check of Wikipedia to see when exactly the term Black Power was first used (1966).I also read that Dr King considered the Black Power movement to be no different than the KKK in terms of violence and pro segregation views. A 1967 quote. Check it out then bless us with your comments. The quote is in the Wikipedia Black Power article.Dr Ben Carson was a big liberal (as recently as the 1990s ) but he recalls how he had to hide white students during the 1968 riots.Black nationalist movements were against whites living in their neighborhoods. Sorry you don't like the facts.Too bad you want to make it an issue of civil rights. People can see your slight of hand. (You ignored the issue of purging Jewish people from the civil rights organizations too )

Actually I provided good evidence for my comments in a past thread.Solid evidence.A moderator hid the study that I showed.NoNukes already lost that one. So keep your crap up and dig yourself deeper.

Maybe you'd start to make headway here if you could offer anything substantive, like a refutation of critical theory.

I don't frequent EvC everyday. If you're going to engage with me, then engage with me. Not with a past thread. Get to work.

And Malcolm X had a better understanding of the Black Power movement. Why aren't you interested in what he thought? Did he mention the part where there wouldn't have had to be any riots if white people were more willing to give up their unearned advantages and systems of racism? Some were. And good for them. Finally there were black movements that had the courage to stick it to a system of white supremacist oppression. Of course it's an issue of civil rights. If blacks had complete and total civil rights in 1863, along with a complete and utter destruction of institutionalized racism, there would be no need for the Black Panthers.Of course it's an issue of civil rights. You're just too deep into your conspiracies to see it.

A long post Faith.I only know about Horowitz from television appearances in the 1990s.I thought he was pro gay rights, but perhaps I am wrong. Many people that consider blacks to be racist also are disturbed by the anti gay views in the black community.The Black Power movement was very nationalist and still is in many ways. There was economic Marxism for a while though but that fell away around 1976 I think. Economic views aren't the issue anyway.I have to wait to look into this stuff about modern day Marxism still being taught.I can't believe that anything but right wingism is a major problem. The Marxism still seems trivial and democratic communist parties always have to work in a coalition government and are not too different from socialist governments (often they are to the right of Labor governments ).

Malcolm X changed alot before he died in February 1965. He opposed segregation at the time of his death.You don't even have the time periods straight.1966 was the start of the term Black Power.And there were lots of race riots but the 1968 one was quite cataclysmic for the county.

That has little to do with what I said. You know perfectly well that Malcolm X had a profound influence in shaping the spirit of black militancy and thus the Black Power movement. So why are you more interested in what MLK Jr. thought about the Black Power movement's militancy than in Malcolm X's perspective? But Dr. Ben Carson didn't mention that there wouldn't have had to be any so-called race riots if institutionalized racism didn't exist, did he? You have a very confused, tortuously nonsensical understanding of black + African-American history.Edited by Genomicus, : No reason given.