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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Islam is an evil murderous ideology. Individual Muslims are not the ideology.
Rightwing American politics isn't an ideology At the moment it's mostly a reaction against evil anti-American Marxism. As usual the problem is talking about people when I'm talking about ideologies.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: If the implementation is unjust then see what can be done to change it, stop screaming about Trump and go about legally changing what needs to be changed. Legally, with respect for law. This is exactly what people are doing. They are suing the Trump Administration and Trump himself using the US Legal institution called the Court System. And so far they are, Thank God, winning. But that still does not remove the pain and suffering the current crop of Brown Shirts are causing.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Right Wing Conservatism is an evil murderous ideology. Individual conservatives are not the ideology.
Islam isn't an ideology. At the moment it's mostly a reaction against American Imperialism.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
When the real Fascists call Trump a Fascist it's all over for America.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Funny how you can't tolerate the truth and resort to childish mimicry which of course promotes a lie.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: When the real Fascists call Trump a fascist it's all over for America. You can say that all you want but that is simply a really stupid comment that totally ignores reality or any reason. Look at the definition and characteristics of Fascism.
quote: source You can't call the left-wing Fascist and be honest, nor is it possible to be a Marxist Fascist. Now there certainly is Christian Fascism and that is common in Conservative Christianity. Marxism and Communism were never Fascist. You can complain about Marxist characteristics in Socialism or today's Liberal movements or past Progressive movements but to then call them "real Fascist" is simply silly.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: Funny how you can't tolerate the truth and resort to childish mimicry which of course promotes a lie. I have no problem with truth but often find it worthwhile to point out just how silly some assertions are. Both
Faith writes: Islam is an evil murderous ideology. Individual Muslims are not the ideology. Rightwing American politics isn't an ideology At the moment it's mostly a reaction against evil anti-American Marxism. and jar writes: Right Wing Conservatism is an evil murderous ideology. Individual conservatives are not the ideology. Islam isn't an ideology. At the moment it's mostly a reaction against American Imperialism. are just unsupported assertions, not truths or even evidenced. Neither comment really deserves much consideration and a thinking person would reject both immediately as simply worthless.
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I was always taught that the far left and the far right are close to each other though opposites. Kinda like this graph:
Comments?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Your chart puts Clinton to the left of Socialism. Was it made up by the same loons who call Obama a socialist?
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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Islam is an evil murderous ideology. Individual Muslims are not the ideology. And yet there are people who would treat every individual Muslim the same, as if the all have the exact same beliefs, as if they are all dangerous, as if none of them have any positive contributions to make. That is what I object to. -
As usual the problem is talking about people when I'm talking about ideologies. Just to be clear, having an ideology is not itself good or bad. An ideology is a set of ideas and principles about what is right and wrong and about how people behave that helps guide a person in deciding whether to support particular social programs. Do you have a set of general principles that helps guide you in deciding whether specific actions are right or wrong? That is an ideology. Do you have a set of general principles about what a government should do and what should be prohibited to it? That is an ideology. That's not to say a there aren't specific ideologies that are bad, or that there aren't people so committed to their beliefs that they refuse to compromise on anything or to admit it's possible they might be wrong; I'm saying that most of us work under some sort of ideology whether or not we want to use that particular word to describe it. I just wanted to say this because a lot of people use "ideology" to mean "fanatics who believe stuff I don't like". -
Rightwing American politics isn't an ideology At the moment it's mostly a reaction against evil anti-American Marxism. This I agree with. Long ago, conservatism was a coherent political theory (actually a set of closely related ideologies); one I disagreed with, but at least there were clearly articulated beliefs and principles with which one could argue. Today, though, US conservatives are just a bunch of people who are angry. Angry about the way their lives are turning out. Angry at the society they see around them. Angry at the changes in this country that they resent. Some of this anger is justified; some isn't. But most Americans who call themselves conservative don't really have a coherent explanation of what's actually wrong and what should be the corrections. Instead, all they have is a long list of stuff they don't like that they just label "Marxist", "liberal", or "Leftist". Today's American conservatives do not understand the world in which they live, nor do they have any kind of framework which could enable them to make consistent, logical changes in their lives. So they are reduced to reacting blindly to the incomprehensible forces pushing them about.Freedom is merely privilege extended, unless enjoyed by one and all. — Billy Bragg
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Comments? Yeah, that drawing is silly and meaningless.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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Yeah, that chart seems to be base on the idea that "left/right" is the same thing as "liberal/conservative", which is the same thing as "democracy/authoritarianism".
Oh, and that all of these are just different labels for "stuff I like/stuff I don't like".Freedom is merely privilege extended, unless enjoyed by one and all. — Billy Bragg
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Islam is an evil evil ideology. Evil evil evil, murderous, totalitarian, take over the world evil. Marxism has a foothold in American politics and it's another evil ideology and it supports Islam.
Sorry, I'll have to come back to this, it's too depressing right now.
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Try bringing some evidence with you when you return.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
I'll have to come back to this.... Why? What you just wrote pretty much sums up everything you've been saying all along.Freedom is merely privilege extended, unless enjoyed by one and all. — Billy Bragg
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