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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
Did he ever run it past his colleagues? Would he have claimed his process was objective without running it past his colleagues?
Do you believe you can make the case that Einstein's theory of gravitation was non objective at the time when he had not convinced his peers to accept it? NoNukes writes:
Science is a continuous process. There is no "after". Consensus comes after the process has worked. Consensus is part of the process. "Test your hypothesis" includes peer review.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You should. If I believe something, I may always question my understanding of it, but i won't doubt it. If you were honest with yourself, I bet you really do have doubts about your beliefs. But you've been told that you shouldn't so you try to convince yourself that you don't.
Phat writes:
How many times have I and others pointed out to you what the Bible says, as opposed to what you've been told the Bible says? YOU are the one who has believed lies about what the Bible says. You also conveniently ignore the bits that you don't like.
The problem with a lot of you is that you have believed lies about what the Bible is, what it says, and even who wrote it.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
What do you call "extreme"? I maintain that worship (extreme veneration and respect) of nature itself will undo us. I see scientists saying, "I wonder how that works." And I see environmentalists saying, "Maybe we shouldn't make such a mess in our back yard." Is that what you call "extreme"?
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That isn't what you said. You were talking about the worship of nature itself, as if that's what non-believers do. Global-warming denial is the opposite of that.
Extreme would be to deny global warming and instead accepting "alternative facts" which won't hold a candle to water. Phat writes:
What's extreme about alternate explanations for God?
Alternative explanations for science (on the creationism side) and alternative explanations for God (which one? rabbitt? Ganesha? Loki?) on the science side are both extreme.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I call BS on you. You DO NOT know what I am attempting to do. Or maybe you do know and you're deliberately misrepresenting me. Critics would say that they see no advantage to the original and see it as one of many alternatives. I call BS on them. They know darn well what they are attempting to do. I have told you that I wish there was a God. I am predisposed to believing in God. But the god you market is implausible and the means you use to market him are dishonest. STOP telling me that I have ulterior motives.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You answered you own question. A real god would have no reason to hide. But the proponents of a fake god have every reason to pretend he's hiding.
Why is He NOT plausible?You wont "discover" Him. Phat writes:
I have a beef with anybody who threatens me.
What beef would you have with Him?
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
How is that not a threat? The goats are cursed into everlasting fire.
Some day you will have no beef. There will be no threat. The goats go their way and the sheep go theirs. And you will be at peace
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That's not a very good marketing strategy, trying to sell us what YOU want.
You and ringo seem to prefer that IF GOD exists that He simply leave you alone.I, on the other hand, prefer that IF He exists, then He surely wants to help me and guide me.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
But you're trying to convince me to buy a product that YOU need. You're trying to sell me mud-flaps when I don't have a car.
Im just trying to convince you that you need the product.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Idiots would say that.
Critics would say that the goats cursed themselves. Phat writes:
Of course I am. How do I know I'm not going to be a goat?
Don't tell me you are defending the goats now!
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That's what I'm saying: Don't buy this nonsense that everlasting torment is your own fault.
Also stay as far from religion as you can. They breed goats.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Be honest with yourself. If somebody left a loaded gun in a crowded playground and children got hurt, who would you blame? ringo writes:
I suppose you would blame God. Don't buy this nonsense that everlasting torment is your own fault. You'd blame the one who caused the problem, wouldn't you? You'd scoff at the idea that the children "chose" to be harmed, wouldn't you? So why would you give your "loving", omniscient God a free pass?
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
The "fall" itself is evidence of guilt. God doomed every subsequent generation of humans to atone for Adam and Eve's "sin".
Hell, if hell exists was never created for fallen humanity nor innocent children. You gotta work to get there.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That doesn't make any sense. The behaviour of Christians can not be distinguished from the behaviour of atheists. If the behaviour of Christians was evidence of Christ, wouldn't the behaviour of atheists be evidence that there is no God? In conclusion, the only evidence that we have of Jesus Christ is the behavior and actions of his followers. No. It seems clear that behaviour is not evidence for beliefs.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
We are all the product of external influences. The point is that there is no distinguishable difference between those who think they are influenced by "God" and those who think they are not. So again, behaviour is not evidence of belief.
The behavior of any human may well be evidence of some external influence.
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