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Author | Topic: Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dredge Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Taq writes:
For some reason, some words from a Supertramp song come to mind: "Dreamer; you're nothing but a dreamer."
That is macroevolution.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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What I do think he would be surprised about though is how accurate his ideas turned out to be; particularly with the corroboration provided first by genetics, then by molecular genetics. Yes, now, though earlier that was used to disprove Darwin. Much to the delight of creationist quote-miners. Darwin knew that these traits were inherited and he knew that new traits could arise, but he didn't know how. Although he had Mendel's monograph on his bookshelf, there is no indication that he had ever read it. Instead, Darwin was hampered with a paint-mixing analogy, in which new traits were some new tint being mixed in, but there was no way for such new traits in such small quantities to become expressed in the final mixture of paint. What Darwin came up with was Pangenetic theory, which Dr. Jonathan Miller, MD, characterized as Darwin accepting Lamarck's discarded idea of acquired characteristics, thus mounting the "Ladder of Life" fallacy (Darwin for Beginners. Of course, it was wrong, but it was now part of "Darwinism." So when researchers "discovered" Mendelian genetics and mutations and started experimenting with mutations, they all loudly proclaimed Darwin to be wrong! About inheritance, yes. But what about all the other stuff? Doesn't matter. Creationists have loads of quotes declaring Darwin to be wrong (about inheritance) so that's all that they need. It was later in the 1930's and 1940's that some, such as Fischer, began to realize that Mendelian genetics provided the missing piece of Darwin's ideas and thus was born neo-Darwinism. ABE:Many creationist quotings of scientists declaring Darwin to be wrong date from the early part of the 20th Century when geneticists were pointing out quite correctly that his Pangenetic Theory was wrong. They weren't talking about his ideas about the origin of species, but rather his mistaken ideas about how inheritance works. Edited by dwise1, : ABE
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
So point out in his data where he is wrong.
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Taq Member Posts: 10076 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Dredge writes: For some reason, some words from a Supertramp song come to mind: "Dreamer; you're nothing but a dreamer." Yet another post where creationists can't address the facts.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Some words from the Bible come to mind:
For some reason, some words from a Supertramp song come to mind: "Dreamer; you're nothing but a dreamer."quote:
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Dredge Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
dwise1 writes: So then wouldn't you say that in respect to that trait, the chimp genome is more complex than the human one? How many more traits are like that? OBTW, how intelligent are the other Hominidae? I trust that you have heard of Hanabiko, "fireworks girl" (more literally, "flower fire girl"). She's better known as Koko. Since she has learned sign language, they have been able to administer intelligence tests to her. The results vary from an IQ of 80 to an IQ of 90. The lower score is attributed to cultural bias, or rather species bias -- when given options of where to go when it starts raining, she chose the tree instead of the house. Hey, come to think of it, chimps beat humans into space, didn't they? And I'm pretty sure a chimp in England invented the first computer. Oh, and let's not forget that even though the Hubble Space Telescope was put into space by humans, it was actually designed and built by a team of chimps.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
"I didn't say Talk Origins is an atheist web site."
"I wouldn't worry about anything from that discredited atheist web site."
JonF writes: Your claims are recorded. Don't lie about them. Huh? The first quote is mine but the second quote belongs to CRR. But thank you for confusing me with the redoubtable CRR - that's a compliment. -------------------------------------------------- Talk Origins is officially philosophically neutral, but un-officially atheistic.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Since I wrote, "Do you I might be retarded?", then I may well be retarded. But "Do you think I might be retarded?" sounds less retarded.
------------------------------------ My religious views don't hold me back - by rejecting evolution I am missing out on exactly nothing, as far as science is concerned. This is due to the mathematical principle: evolution = zero. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
dwise1 writes:
Science cannot answer every scientific question. For example, science will never be able to provide a rational answer to the question,"How could something as functionally and irreducibly complex as a living organism possibly have come into existence?"
Now, we have a movement, Intelligent Design (courtesy of the Discovery Institute), whose stated goal is to change science so that it must include supernaturalistic explanations. Science could not possibly exist under those conditions, as should be plain to you by now. "goddidit" cannot not possibly answer any scientific question, any "how does this work" question. This is because science is so puny and limited it can only scratch the surface of reality. In the face of the miracles performed by our Creator, God Almighty, science is laughably useless. (Picture a toddler with a plastic sword taking on all the armies of the world.)
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Dredge Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
caffeine writes: this seems like a pretty clear case of applied evolutionary theory to me. Oh, for sure - microevolutionary theory - which is not in any way, shape or form dependant on the theory that all life shares a common ancestor; an empty theory which is utterly irrelevant to applied science. It a great shame that a theory that should have been confined to the lunatic fringe has managed to infiltrate, contaminate and distort many fields of true science. Such is the power of Satan to deceive human beings. Show a Darwinist natural selection and he sees a whale evolving from a rodent; show a Darwinist a chicken and he sees a feathered dinosaur.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
dwise1 writes:
In the interests of fairness and intellectual rigour, you need to consider the distinct possibility that many cultures in the ancient Middle East owe their folklore to the Bible and Hebrew folklore, not the other way around.
Actually, that title would go to the Epic of Gilgamesh, one of the sources of that derivative work, the Bible.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2133 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
...many cultures in the ancient Middle East owe their folklore to the Bible and Hebrew folklore, not the other way around. Epic of Gilgamesh - Wikipedia Garden of Eden Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
It a great shame that a theory that should have been confined to the lunatic fringe has managed to infiltrate, contaminate and distort many fields of true science. Why do you think scientists disagree with you (a non-scientist, habitual liar, and crackpot) about what belongs in "true science" and what belongs to the "lunatic fringe"?
Show a Darwinist natural selection and he sees a whale evolving from a rodent ... What a peculiar lie. Whom do you hope to deceive by telling it?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
Your mathematics is as bad as your biology. My religious views don't hold me back - by rejecting evolution I am missing out on exactly nothing, as far as science is concerned. This is due to the mathematical principle: evolution = zero. Seriously. Why reject evolution? When you get on an airplane, do you go to the cockpit and tell the pilot he doesn't know what he's doing? Where do you get the colossal arrogance to think you have anything intelligent to say about evolution?
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