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DrJones*
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Message 841 of 960 (813476)
06-27-2017 10:25 PM
Reply to: Message 840 by Faith
06-27-2017 10:12 PM


Re: The Left finally getting busted
O'keefe has a history of taking things out of context and deceptively editing his videos. He's been sued, and lost, for it.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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Message 842 of 960 (813478)
06-27-2017 10:31 PM
Reply to: Message 841 by DrJones*
06-27-2017 10:25 PM


Re: The Left finally getting busted
You can't win them all. I don't think it would be too easy to take out of context a statement about how stories about Trump colluding with Russia are "bullshit" done for ratings.
ABE: I find stories on Google about them being sued but haven't seen one about how they lost the case.
Anyway, it's about how they go about being undercover for their exposes rather than taking things out of tontext. This is espionage so of course they lie to get close to the people they want to expose. That could be illegal depending on how you do it, but I haven't found anything yet about them being sued about the content of an expose.
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DrJones*
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Message 843 of 960 (813479)
06-27-2017 10:51 PM
Reply to: Message 842 by Faith
06-27-2017 10:31 PM


Re: The Left finally getting busted
Faith
That could be illegal depending on how you do it, but I haven't found anything yet about them being sued about the content of an expose.
Wikipedia
The AG's report confirmed that ACORN employee Juan Carlos Vera, shown in O'Keefe's video as apparently aiding a human smuggling proposal, had immediately reported his encounter with the couple to a Mexican police detective at the time to thwart their plan. Following the AG's report, that employee, who had been fired by ACORN after the video's release, sued O'Keefe and Giles in 2010. He alleged invasion of privacy and cited a California law that prohibits recordings without consent of all parties involved.[57]
...On March 5, 2013, O'Keefe agreed to pay $100,000 to former California ACORN employee Juan Carlos Vera for deliberately misrepresenting Mr. Vera's actions,...
Faith
Anyway, it's about how they go about being undercover for their exposes rather than taking things out of tontext.
Wiki
The California Attorney General's Office granted O'Keefe and Giles limited immunity from prosecution in exchange for providing the full, unedited videotapes related to ACORN offices in California.[17] The AG's Report was released on April 1, 2010, concluding that the videos from ACORN offices in Los Angeles, San Diego, and San Bernardino had been "severely edited."[17] The report found there was no evidence of criminal conduct on the part of ACORN employees nor any evidence that any employee intended to aid or abet criminal conduct. It found that three employees had tried to deflect the couple's plans, told them ACORN could not offer them help on the grounds they wanted, and otherwise dealt with them appropriately. Such context was not reflected in O'Keefe's edited tapes. The AG's Report noted that "O'Keefe stated that he was out to make a point and to damage ACORN and therefore did not act as a journalist objectively reporting a story".
And of course his organization tried to incite violence
On January 9, 2017, Project Veritas operative Allison Maass was filmed attempting to bribe members of Americans Take Action into inciting a riot at Trump's inauguration.[103][104]

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Faith 
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Message 844 of 960 (813481)
06-27-2017 11:10 PM
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06-27-2017 10:51 PM


Re: The Left finally getting busted
If true that's pretty underhanded of them. They're doing basically what they want to expose in others. Too bad to resort to such tactics, especially when if they were just patient they'd probably get the evidence they were looking for anyway. There's probably more to the story still, though.

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Message 845 of 960 (813520)
06-28-2017 9:33 AM
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06-27-2017 9:52 PM


Re: The Left finally getting busted
No it was the Project Veritas expose of a CNN executive saying that the Russia collusion stories are all fake, for ratings.
Project Veritas is proven liar James O'Keefe. So Chiroptera was right and you are ignorant. One CNN producer (not executive) totally unconnected to the hard news part of the organization (he produces medical stories with Sanjay Gupta and some others) appears to have said he thinks the Russia thing may be BS. We don't know whether or not he really said that; O'Keefe is famous for intentionally misrepresenting people by scurrilous edits in his videos. But even if the guy did say that, what reason do we have to think he knows anything on the subject?
Chiroptera was also right about what CNN did. They retracted one peripheral story and fired three people. The vast majority of the evidence remains.

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JonF
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Message 846 of 960 (813522)
06-28-2017 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 840 by Faith
06-27-2017 10:12 PM


Re: The Left finally getting busted
The CNN guy says it right out on camera, himself, nobody else.
As I said above, O'Keefe is famous for editing to make it appear that people said something they really didn't. Such as showing a question and then the answer to a different question. Also see especially the last sentence of the last quote:
Questions Raised About O'Keefe's Editing Of NPR Sting Video : The Two-Way : NPR:
quote:
As NPR's David Folkenflik says on Weekend Edition Sunday, conservative broadcaster Glenn Beck's website The Blaze has done some judging and concluded that O'Keefe did make some misleading edits.
The Blaze wrote Thursday that some things O'Keefe did were "editing tactics that seem designed to intentionally lie or mislead about the material being presented." For instance, The Blaze says that in the edited tape "NPR exec Ron Schiller does describe Tea Party members as 'xenophobic ... seriously racist people.' " But, it notes:
"The clip in the edited video implies Schiller is giving simply his own analysis of the Tea Party. He does do that in part, but the raw video reveals that he is largely recounting the views expressed to him by two top Republicans, one a former ambassador, who admitted to him that they voted for Obama.
"At the end, he signals his agreement. The larger context does not excuse his comments, or his judgment in sharing the account, but would a full context edit have been more fair?"
James O'Keefe - Wikipedia:
quote:
When his videos portraying ACORN workers seemingly aiding a couple in criminal planning hit the 24-hour cable news cycle, the U.S. Congress quickly voted to freeze funds for the non-profit. The national controversy resulted in the non-profit also losing most of its private funding before investigations of the videos concluded no illegal activity occurred. In March 2010, ACORN was close to bankruptcy and had to close or rename most of its offices.[8] Shortly after, the California State Attorney General's Office and the US Government Accountability Office released their related investigative reports. The Attorney General's Office found that O'Keefe had misrepresented the actions of ACORN workers in California and that the workers had not broken any laws. A preliminary probe by the GAO found that ACORN had managed its federal funds appropriately.[9][10] One of the fired ACORN workers sued O'Keefe for invasion of privacy; O'Keefe issued an apology and agreed to pay $100,000 in a settlement.
O'Keefe and Breitbart ACORN Videos 'Severely Edited':
quote:
O'Keefe stated he was out to make a point and to damage ACORN and therefore did not act as a journalist objectively reporting a story. The video releases were heavily edited to feature only the worst or most inappropriate statements of the various ACORN employees, and to omit some of the most salient statements by O'Keefe and Giles.
Videotapes secretly recorded last summer and severely edited by O'Keefe seemed to show ACORN employees encouraging a "pimp" (O'Keefe) and his "prostitute," actually a Florida college student named Hannah Miles, in conversations involving prostitution by underage girls, human trafficking and cheating on taxes. Those videos created a media sensation.
Evidence obtained by Brown tells a somewhat different story, however, as reflected in three videotapes made at ACORN locations in California. One ACORN worker in San Diego called the cops. Another ACORN worker in San Bernardino caught on to the scheme and played along with it, claiming among other things that she had murdered her abusive husband. Her two former husbands are alive and well, the Attorney General's report noted. At the beginning and end of the Internet videos, O'Keefe was dressed as a 1970s Superfly pimp, but in his actual taped sessions with ACORN workers, he was dressed in a shirt and tie, presented himself as a law student, and said he planned to use the prostitution proceeds to run for Congress. He never claimed he was a pimp.

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JonF
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Message 847 of 960 (813523)
06-28-2017 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 842 by Faith
06-27-2017 10:31 PM


Re: The Left finally getting busted
I don't think it would be too easy to take out of context a statement about how stories about Trump colluding with Russia are "bullshit" done for ratings.
You don't know how sleazy and capable he is at editing.
I find stories on Google about them being sued but haven't seen one about how they lost the case.
He settled with an ACORN employee for $100,000. See above. I don't know about the others.
Anyway, it's about how they go about being undercover for their exposes rather than taking things out of context.
No, It's about how they lie and take things out of context.
but I haven't found anything yet about them being sued about the content of an expose.
Didn't look very hard, did you? See settlement above. O'Keefe facing $1 million lawsuit over video sting against Democrats is all over the news. A Texas grand jury was formed to investigate Planned Parenthood after his famous videos of them. They wound up exonerating Planned Parenthood and indicting O'Keefe and an accomplice. The criminal case was dismissed on a technicality; Texas law limited the scope of the investigation.

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JonF
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Message 848 of 960 (813524)
06-28-2017 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 844 by Faith
06-27-2017 11:10 PM


Re: The Left finally getting busted
If true that's pretty underhanded of them. They're doing basically what they want to expose in others.
It's true.
Too bad to resort to such tactics, especially when if they were just patient they'd probably get the evidence they were looking for anyway. There's probably more to the story still, though.
Translation: Faith can't just admit one of her heroes is a villain.

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Chiroptera
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Message 849 of 960 (813525)
06-28-2017 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 845 by JonF
06-28-2017 9:33 AM


Re: The Left finally getting busted
So Chiroptera was right and you are ignorant.
To be fair, I'm kind of one of the ignorant ones here. I thought that a single news story was being misrepresented. I didn't realize that O'keefe was pissing in the drinking water again and that is what people are talking about.
White House urges viewing of anti-CNN video 'whether it's accurate or not'

Freedom is merely privilege extended, unless enjoyed by one and all. — Billy Bragg

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Message 850 of 960 (813530)
06-28-2017 10:29 AM
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06-28-2017 9:59 AM


Re: The Left finally getting busted
There are a lot of rightwing sources that need to explain all this.

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JonF
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Message 851 of 960 (813538)
06-28-2017 12:10 PM
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06-28-2017 10:29 AM


Re: The Left finally getting busted
Why didn't they mention O'Keefe's past as significant in evaluating his current work?
Can you honestly think about hat question and what its answer says about your source?
Care to bet that none of your favorite sources will ever run this kind of information?
Some more from What the latest James O’Keefe video intentionally leaves out:
O'Keefe is an admitted and convicted felon:
quote:
O’KeefeJames O'Keefe Avoids Jail Time pleaded guilty in 2010 to unlawfully entering the New Orleans office of then-Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) after he and three associates went to the office dressed as telephone workers in an alleged attempt to tamper with the senator’s phones. He received three years of probation, a fine of $1,500 and 100 hours of community service.
He's attempted a pretty sleazy sex sting, from the same source:
quote:
Later that year, O’Keefe attempted to lure a CNN correspondent, Abbie Boudreau, onto a boat filled with sex toys in order to film the encounter and punk Boudreau, who was reporting a story on conservative filmmakers. Among the props O’Keefe reportedly intended to use were a jar filled with condoms, posters and paintings of naked women, fuzzy handcuffs and a blindfold. Boudreau declined the invitation.
From the same source, a critique of his CNN producer video:
quote:
Yet the video includes several journalistic evasions and shortcuts that would likely elicit outrage from critics if a mainstream news organization had employed the same techniques.
For example, it never mentions that Bonifield is a producer of health and medical stories, raising questions about how relevant his views are, and how informed he is, about CNN’s political coverage. It also doesn’t disclose that he is based in Atlanta not in Washington or New York, where most of CNN’s coverage of national affairs and politics are produced.
Instead, the video identifies him a supervising producer, suggesting a senior decision-making role. O’Keefe, who appears on the video as a kind of master of ceremonies, furthers this impression by saying the footage describes the real motivation behind our dominant media organizations.
But CNN said Bonifield speaks only for himself. In a statement, it said stood by him and that diversity of personal opinion is what makes CNN strong. We welcome it and embrace it. The network said it had no plans to take any disciplinary action.
The video also doesn’t identify the man to whom Bonifield is speaking, nor does it provide any clue about how he came to record Bonifield.
A Project Veritas spokesman, Stephen Gordon, declined to offer details on those points, saying that doing so could reveal the organization’s methods and identify its practitioners. He said, however, that the undercover journalist was introduced to Bonifield by a third party, whom he also did not identify.
And to illustrate how pathetic he really is, Fox News Host Isn't Amused By O'Keefe's Osama Bin Laden Border Crossing Stunt. He waded across the Rio Grande in an Osama Bin Laden mask to illustrate how easily terrorists could get in, not mentioning the several obstacles he would have to surmount to actually get past the border.

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JonF
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Message 852 of 960 (813541)
06-28-2017 1:17 PM


How the right and left handle their errors
Not directly OT, but somewhat germane:
A tale of two networks: How Fox News and CNN handled recent retractions
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In recent months, both CNN and Fox have retracted stories on their websites regarding particularly high-profile topics on the left and right, respectively. Both sites issued similar excuses: A breakdown in normal editorial standards that led to something being published that shouldn’t have been.
Yet in most other ways, the two cases are a study in opposites.
CNN, on one hand, retracted its story within a day and issued an apology. The network immediately carried out an internal investigation. Three employees resigned. Those that remained were told that any future stories on the topic would need to be vetted by two top executives before publishing.
Fox, on the other hand, took a week to retract the story, though it was debunked by other news outlets within hours. Little news of an investigation within the network emerged. No on-air apology was issued, despite a week of speculative coverage on the cable network. No employees resigned. And one of the network’s stars  Sean Hannity  continues to promote the conspiracy theory to this day.
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Message 853 of 960 (813678)
06-29-2017 2:49 PM


Van Jones: James O’Keefe’s CNN video took me out of context
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News commentator and former President Barack Obama aide Van Jones is skewering President Donald Trump’s White House on CNN for being gullible enough to fall for an edited, right-wing propaganda video.
Part of conservative provocateur James O’Keefe’s newest video shows Jones standing outside CNN’s Los Angeles bureau saying, The whole Russia thing is a big nothingburger. There is nothing you can do
But as Jones pointed out, this video omited important context about what Jones was saying and why.
Did I mean that there is ‘nothing’ to the allegations that members of team Trump colluded with the Russians and then tried to cover it up by firing FBI Director James Comey? Jones writes. No and far from it.
Jones said that he was actually talking about how Democrats need to focus on bread and butter issues rather than hoping that the Russia investigation will lead to Trump’s impeachment or resignation. Although he believes that there is something fishy about Trump’s relationship with Russia, Jones also thinks it’s unlikely that any evidence will come out that is powerful enough to force the craven GOP to oust Trump.
That O’Keefe may have taken Jones out of context isn’t a surprise O’Keefe, as Bob Cesca noted, has a track record: Every single video O’Keefe’s ever produced has been resoundingly debunked
His concern, in other words, is that too many Democrats see the Russia controversy as some kind of magical ‘get out of jail free’ card. They insist that we will be delivered from our misery as soon as the next shoe drops and Trump is impeached.
This is what Jones meant when he referred to the scandal as a nothingburger.

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Message 854 of 960 (813689)
06-29-2017 5:59 PM
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06-29-2017 2:49 PM


O Keefe must be working for the Democrats then since there is no doubt that the MSM stories about Russia collusion are all fake.

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JonF
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Message 855 of 960 (813692)
06-29-2017 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 854 by Faith
06-29-2017 5:59 PM


O'Keefe is working for the ultra-right-wingers. Such as you.
Mistakes get made once in a while. The real media acknowledges the errors and fixes them. Your pals don't.
Your lack of doubt does not affect the reality that the Russian investigation is justified and necessary.
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