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Author Topic:   Exploring (mostly Cultural) Marxism in today's Left
Faith 
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Message 226 of 381 (813591)
06-28-2017 11:26 PM
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06-28-2017 10:05 AM


A Review of what Classical and Cultural Marxism have in common
To restate what Classical Marxism and Cultural Marxism have in common, how the one derives from the other, as was spelled out in the essay on Political Correctness above:
If we compare the basic tenets of Political Correctness with classical Marxism the parallels are very obvious.
First of all, both are totalitarian ideologies. The totalitarian nature of Political Correctness is revealed nowhere more clearly than on college campuses, many of which at this point are small ivy covered North Koreas....
Second, the cultural Marxism of Political Correctness, like economic Marxism, has a single factor explanation of history. Economic Marxism says that all of history is determined by ownership of means of production. Cultural Marxism, or Political Correctness, says that all history is determined by power, by which groups defined in terms of race, sex, etc., have power over which other groups. Nothing else matters. All literature, indeed, is about that. Everything in the past is about that one thing.
Third, just as in classical economic Marxism certain groups, i.e. workers and peasants, are a priori good, and other groups, i.e., the bourgeoisie and capital owners, are evil. In the cultural Marxism of Political Correctness certain groups are good — feminist women, (only feminist women, non-feminist women are deemed not to exist) blacks, Hispanics, homosexuals....
Fourth, both economic and cultural Marxism rely on expropriation. When the classical Marxists, the communists, took over a country like Russia, they expropriated the bourgeoisie, they took away their property. Similarly, when the cultural Marxists take over a university campus, they expropriate through things like quotas for admissions. When a white student with superior qualifications is denied admittance to a college in favor of a black or Hispanic who isn’t as well qualified, the white student is expropriated....
It's totalitarian, it defines everything for us, we have no need to think, in fact thinking risks running afoul of the party line. They control us by their PC epithets. Or you who agree with them control the rest of us. It's a diabolically effective form of censorship, enforcer of conformity and denier of freedom of speech.
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jar
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Message 227 of 381 (813603)
06-29-2017 7:35 AM
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06-28-2017 11:26 PM


Re: A Review of what Classical and Cultural Marxism have in common
Faith writes:
It's totalitarian, it defines everything for us, we have no need to think, in fact thinking risks running afoul of the party line. They control us by their PC epithets. Or you who agree with them control the rest of us. It's a diabolically effective form of censorship, enforcer of conformity and denier of freedom of speech.
Once again though, reality shows you are simply posting nonsense.
You have shown no evidence that anyone controls you, censors you, enforces conformity or denies freedom of speech.

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ringo
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Message 228 of 381 (813646)
06-29-2017 11:55 AM
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06-28-2017 11:26 PM


Re: A Review of what Classical and Cultural Marxism have in common
Faith writes:
They control us by their PC epithets. Or you who agree with them control the rest of us. It's a diabolically effective form of censorship, enforcer of conformity and denier of freedom of speech.
"Wolf! Wolf! Why won't you let me cry Wolf!?"

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Faith 
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Message 229 of 381 (813647)
06-29-2017 12:10 PM
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06-29-2017 11:55 AM


Re: A Review of what Classical and Cultural Marxism have in common
Europe is completely controlled by PC, that's why they're getting destroyed by "immigrants," the Marxist Victim / Oppressed Group du jour. So tenderly defended by the EvC crowd too, we can all just lie down and let Islam behead us or subjugate us or whatever they want to do because they are the designated Oppressed Group du jour.
Or we should let the entire country of Mexico take us over. Why not, they're "brown people," who are defined by Marxism as Oppressed. they can oppress us all they want, we don't count. Marxism pits groups against each other, the designated oppressed can do whatever they want to the "oppressor," it's all a matter of definitions,k hang reality.
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ringo
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Message 230 of 381 (813651)
06-29-2017 12:24 PM
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06-29-2017 12:10 PM


Re: A Review of what Classical and Cultural Marxism have in common
Faith writes:
Europe is completely controlled by PC, that's why they're getting destroyed by "immigrants," the Marxist Victim / Oppressed Group du jour.
(I thought you were the oppressed one.)
What about Canada? Immigrants are our strength. My grandparents were immigrants.

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Faith 
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Message 231 of 381 (813652)
06-29-2017 12:28 PM
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06-29-2017 12:24 PM


Re: A Review of what Classical and Cultural Marxism have in common
You're kidding. I'm the Oppressor according to Marxism. I'm white, I'm a Christian and I'm an American. Grade A Oppressor, nothing worse than my kind.
My father was an immigrant. A LEGAL immigrant. But Marxism favors ILLEGAL immigrants. Only a Marxist would call an illegal immigrant an "immigrant."

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jar
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Message 232 of 381 (813653)
06-29-2017 12:33 PM
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06-29-2017 12:28 PM


Once again, Faith presents no evidence that anyone controls her, censors her, enforce
Once again though, reality shows you are simply posting nonsense.
You have shown no evidence that anyone controls you, censors you, enforces conformity or denies freedom of speech.

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Faith 
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Message 233 of 381 (813658)
06-29-2017 12:44 PM
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06-29-2017 12:33 PM


Re: Once again, Faith presents no evidence that anyone controls her, censors her, enforce
You live in la la land for sure. Anybody paying any attention at all to discussions at EvC knows that I get slapped down frequently with Marxist accusations. I'm tough enough to bounce back but a lot of people aren't. The intimidation factor of PC is enormous. Europe is being killed by it.
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ringo
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Message 234 of 381 (813665)
06-29-2017 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 231 by Faith
06-29-2017 12:28 PM


Re: A Review of what Classical and Cultural Marxism have in common
Faith writes:
I'm the Oppressor according to Marxism. I'm white, I'm a Christian and I'm an American. Grade A Oppressor, nothing worse than my kind.
That's right. You're the oppressor according to reality. Ever hear of history?
You're just complaining that your ability to oppress is being curtailed. But removing your ability to enslave doesn't make you a slave.
Faith writes:
My father was an immigrant. A LEGAL immigrant.
I have no idea whether my grandparents were "legal" or not. Western Canada was a wild and wooly place a hundred years ago. I doubt if anybody could tell legals from illegals. I do know that my mother's parents lived on both sides of the 49th parallel from time to time so they might have been legal on one side and illegal on the other.
Faith writes:
But Marxism favors ILLEGAL immigrants.
Well, Marxism favours the rights and needs of the workers over the arbitrary laws and borders that the rich use to protect their wealth.
Faith writes:
Only a Marxist would call an illegal immigrant an "immigrant."
Only a Marxist would call a brown cow a cow. Seems fair.

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ringo
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Message 235 of 381 (813666)
06-29-2017 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by Faith
06-29-2017 12:44 PM


Re: Once again, Faith presents no evidence that anyone controls her, censors her, enforce
Faith writes:
Anybody paying any attention at all to discussions at EvC knows that I get slapped down frequently with Marxist accusations.
You do a hell of a lot more slapping than getting slapped.

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JonF
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Message 236 of 381 (813668)
06-29-2017 1:05 PM
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06-29-2017 12:44 PM


Re: Once again, Faith presents no evidence that anyone controls her, censors her, enforce
Anybody paying any attention at all to discussions at EvC knows that I get slapped down frequently with Marxist accusations.
Bullshit.
But you haven't been censored, nobody has attempted to control you or force you to conform to anything other then US law, or denied you nay freedom of speech.

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Faith 
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Message 237 of 381 (813670)
06-29-2017 1:12 PM
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06-29-2017 1:05 PM


Re: Once again, Faith presents no evidence that anyone controls her, censors her, enforce
Where have I even mentioned myself? What's with you people? I'm talking about influences that have as their aim to suppress dissidence, and they succeed in many cases. Throwing them at me is intended to hurt at least, so many daggers in the flesh. Lots of people would go away under such attacks. It's all a way to put people down and it does work to suppress people in many cases. As in Europe where few want to risk saying anything against their "immigrants" and "refugees." I'm persona non grata for my opinions here. I just don't give in as some would.

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Faith 
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Message 238 of 381 (813671)
06-29-2017 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by ringo
06-29-2017 12:58 PM


Re: A Review of what Classical and Cultural Marxism have in common
Well there you have it, pure Marxist evil presented as good.

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ringo
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Message 239 of 381 (813673)
06-29-2017 1:23 PM
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06-29-2017 1:15 PM


Re: A Review of what Classical and Cultural Marxism have in common
Faith writes:
Well there you have it, pure Marxist evil presented as good.
You'll have to be more specific. What are you calling evil?

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jar
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Message 240 of 381 (813674)
06-29-2017 1:26 PM
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06-29-2017 12:44 PM


Re: Once again, Faith presents no evidence that anyone controls her, censors her, enforce
Faith writes:
You live in la la land for sure. Anybody paying any attention at all to discussions at EvC knows that I get slapped down frequently with Marxist accusations. I'm tough enough to bounce back but a lot of people aren't. The intimidation factor of PC is enormous. Europe is being killed by it.
Yes, we know that is what you claim, yet so far you have never shown any evidence to support your position.

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