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Author Topic:   Exploring (mostly Cultural) Marxism in today's Left
caffeine
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Message 241 of 381 (813675)
06-29-2017 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by Faith
06-29-2017 1:12 PM


Re: Once again, Faith presents no evidence that anyone controls her, censors her, enforce
Where have I even mentioned myself? What's with you people? I'm talking about influences that have as their aim to suppress dissidence, and they succeed in many cases. Throwing them at me is intended to hurt at least, so many daggers in the flesh. Lots of people would go away under such attacks. It's all a way to put people down and it does work to suppress people in many cases. As in Europe where few want to risk saying anything against their "immigrants" and "refugees." I'm persona non grata for my opinions here. I just don't give in as some would.
I happen to have spent my entire life living in Europe, so I know you're talking bullshit. As should you, as I've pointed it out before. In a previous discussion of media bias I mentioned the fact that the chief editors of the largest TV news station in this country were taped advising their reporters that they had to present refugees in a negative light and try to convince everyone that Muslims were a danger to Europe; or they could not expect to keep their jobs.
To look elsewhere in Europe, here's how the largest selling newspaper in the UK covers immigration and Muslims:
One of their columnists offered this PC opinion.
Of course, their coverage is positively Frankfurt school compared to the second biggest paper.:
The idea that "few want to risk saying anything against their "immigrants" and "refugees."' is absurd. Lots of people in Europe are happy to rant endlessly about evil Muslim immigrants, and do so with little prompting.

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Message 242 of 381 (813679)
06-29-2017 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by Faith
06-28-2017 11:26 PM


Re: A Review of what Classical and Cultural Marxism have in common
It's a diabolically effective form of censorship....
Did you mean diabolically ineffective? 'Cause I'd have to actually work at it to avoid hearing the rightwing's screeds against Muslims and immigrants and Satanist/Marxist/feminist/political correctness.
If the censorship was "diabolically effective", then the only way you'd get any right wing news is by passing back and forth USB drives with the rightwing samizdat as your church group met in secret in a basement.

Freedom is merely privilege extended, unless enjoyed by one and all. — Billy Bragg

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Message 243 of 381 (813685)
06-29-2017 5:49 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by Faith
06-29-2017 1:12 PM


Re: Once again, Faith presents no evidence that anyone controls her, censors her, enforce
Faith writes:
Where have I even mentioned myself? What's with you people? I'm talking about influences that have as their aim to suppress dissidence, and they succeed in many cases.
Why is it that conservatives think they are being censored or suppressed simply because people don't agree with them?

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Message 244 of 381 (813687)
06-29-2017 5:52 PM
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06-29-2017 2:04 PM


Re: Once again, Faith presents no evidence that anyone controls her, censors her, enforce
Seems to me I've seen a lot of European leaders in particular but some ordinary Europeans as well, refusing to say anything at all against the Muslims, even going out of their way to avoid identifying them, hiding their great preponderance of crimes under general statistics for instance.
But since you show that there is some pretty loud complaining, why haven't they figured out how to throw the bums out?
You probably didn't watch the video in Message 185 - ? - but there's a Muslim there shown saying how in twenty years the UK will be Pakistan. Is that OK by you?
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 245 of 381 (813690)
06-29-2017 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by Faith
06-29-2017 5:52 PM


Re: Once again, Faith presents no evidence that anyone controls her, censors her, enforce
Faith writes:
You probably didn't watch the video in Message 185 - ? - but there's a Muslim there shown saying how in twenty years the UK will be Pakistan. Is that OK by you?
Of course it is perfectly okay for someone to say such things but that again is not evidence of anything except that that person may have said that.

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Faith 
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Message 246 of 381 (813695)
06-29-2017 6:23 PM
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06-29-2017 6:03 PM


Re: Once again, Faith presents no evidence that anyone controls her, censors her, enforce
It's evidence of some body of Muslim opinion that the UK should be Muslim and will be Muslim the way things are going. And the way things ARE going he could be right since the PC mentality of the UK doesn't want to do anything about it.

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jar
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Message 247 of 381 (813696)
06-29-2017 6:46 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by Faith
06-29-2017 6:23 PM


Re: Once again, Faith presents no evidence that anyone controls her, censors her, enforce
Faith writes:
It's evidence of some body of Muslim opinion that the UK should be Muslim and will be Muslim the way things are going. And the way things ARE going he could be right since the PC mentality of the UK doesn't want to do anything about it.
Ah, so once again you move the goal posts and try to palm the pea.
I have no problem with Muslim's thinking the UK should be Muslim. Just as I have no problem with Roman Catholics thinking the UK should be Roman Catholic or Buddhists thinking the UK should be Buddhist or even Christians thinking the UK should be Christian.
People should have a right to their beliefs even when those beliefs are as absurd as Young Earth or that the was a Biblical Flood or that the UK should be Muslim.
BUT that still has absolutely nothing to do even with your revised topic so maybe it's time you tried to re-title it yet again.

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Message 248 of 381 (813699)
06-29-2017 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by jar
06-29-2017 6:46 PM


Re: Once again, Faith presents no evidence that anyone controls her, censors her, enforce
The countries of the UK are officially Christian, each with its own official church. In practice, no; the population is increasingly more diverse and the Churches have less political power than ours.

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jar
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Message 249 of 381 (813701)
06-29-2017 8:01 PM
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06-29-2017 7:48 PM


Re: Once again, Faith presents no evidence that anyone controls her, censors her, enforce
Even the UK, home of the Church of England, has modified the laws governing the Monarchy or remove the requirement that a Monarch must be CoE.
And we still have no evidence of "(mostly Cultural) Marxism in today's Left ".

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Faith 
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Message 250 of 381 (813705)
06-29-2017 11:03 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by jar
06-29-2017 6:46 PM


Re: Once again, Faith presents no evidence that anyone controls her, censors her, enforce
Good grief. I said what the Muslim guy's opinion obviously means and you go off into la la land again with some weird accusation of me "palming the pea?" What? First you say the guy's remark means nothing, then I show how that's not true, he obviously represents some measure of opinion that's out there, and he could be right, the UK is on its way to becoming Pakistani just as he predicts. Cuz as he said, they are gonna keep on coming.

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Message 251 of 381 (813708)
06-30-2017 1:53 AM


Newsflash : Immigrants are a higher Christian % than the American population.
83% verses 70.6%
See my immigration thread for the conservative source.
And Muslims are projected to be 31% of the world population in 2050, so the world population numbers don't even have a majority.
Asian immigrants ( mostly non Muslim ) are the biggest immigration group lately it seems. But the Spanish immigrants are Christian (and they seem to gravitate towards conversion to Protestantism )

  
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Message 252 of 381 (813709)
06-30-2017 2:00 AM
Reply to: Message 229 by Faith
06-29-2017 12:10 PM


I must take issue with the comments on Spanish Americans in a post
Mexicans are mostly white and they consider themselves such. They seem quite conservative to me.
Even the votes for political office show conservative strains (despite the anti immigrant crap constantly in their faces ) - look at the male votes in states.
Hillary Clinton didn't seem to get 60% of the Hispanic male vote in most states. Often it was only around the mid 50% range.
EDIT : I lived in Houston for about 6 months and Spanish Texans do not in any way consider themselves refugees. They seem to be right at home, and I don't see this rebellion stuff Faith talks about. I don't think Spanish Texans consider themselves dominated at all. I never got the impression at all. Not at all.
Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.

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Message 253 of 381 (813715)
06-30-2017 4:29 AM
Reply to: Message 231 by Faith
06-29-2017 12:28 PM


Re: A Review of what Classical and Cultural Marxism have in common
Sorry to butt in, but I don't think Marxism has anything to say about whiteness, blackness, or the rest (unless you are conflating actual Marxism with this apparently unrelated 'Cultural Marxism stuff'?). Nor does it say that professing religion marks you as an oppressor. Quite the contrary: if it is the opiate of the people, then you are rather marked as one of the oppressed ... unless of course you are an employer who owns the means of production, in which case you probably would be considered an oppressor. But I don't think a Marxist would of necessity feel anything but empathy for you otherwise.

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jar
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Message 254 of 381 (813719)
06-30-2017 7:13 AM
Reply to: Message 250 by Faith
06-29-2017 11:03 PM


Re: Once again, Faith presents no evidence that anyone controls her, censors her, enforce
Faith writes:
First you say the guy's remark means nothing, then I show how that's not true, he obviously represents some measure of opinion that's out there, and he could be right, the UK is on its way to becoming Pakistani just as he predicts.
No Faith, I said the guys remarks only mean that some person is alleged to have made that remark.
You really need to learn what evidence is and what evidence represents.
And when you change the subject you are Palming the Pea. That is not an accusation rather a simple fact.
Now if you want to change the topic once again, that is fine. However the honest way to do that is to retain a history of each time you abandon your assertion and change to some new unsupported assertion.

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Message 255 of 381 (813727)
06-30-2017 8:47 AM
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06-30-2017 7:13 AM


Re: Once again, Faith presents no evidence that anyone controls her, censors her, enforce
No Faith, I said the guys remarks only mean that some person is alleged to have made that remark.
Which reduces it to meaninglessness. Duh.

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