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Author Topic:   Exploring (mostly Cultural) Marxism in today's Left
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Message 12 of 381 (812818)
06-20-2017 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by jar
06-20-2017 10:28 AM


Re: A great source for the actual information on Marxism
Marx and Satan writes:
The late Reverend Richard Wurmbrand spent 14 years as a prisoner of the Communist government in Romania, where he was persecuted for his faith in Jesus Christ. His experience led him to spend further years researching Karl Marx and the Communist doctrines he developed. While Communism portrays itself as a noble endeavor for the good of mankind and claims an Atheistic view, Wurmbrand exposes its true roots, revealing that Karl Marx and the fathers of the modern Communist/Socialist movements were inspired by the powers of darkness.
By examining the confessions, writings, and poetry of Marx and his followers, the author demonstrates how the "prince of darkness" gave these men the "sword" by which they have terrorized the nations. Wurmbrand proves that this movement is not simply the work of greedy men, hungry for wealth and power, but is "after the working of Satan" with the intent of destroying mankind.
Looks like an interesting point of view. I doubt Wurmbrand was simply part of the materialistic class selling a book. However, your sourc also provides some insight:
What Is Marxism writes:
The basic corner-stones of Materialism are as follows:
(a) The material world, known to us by our senses and explored by science, is real. The development of the world is due to its own natural laws, without any recourse to the supernatural.
(b) There is only one world, the material one. Thought is a product of matter (the brain) without which there can be no separate ideas. Therefore minds or ideas cannot exist in isolation apart from matter. General ideas are only reflections of the material world. To me, wrote Marx, the idea is nothing else than the material world reflected in the human mind, and translated into forms of thought. And further, Social being determines consciousness.
Thus is gets right back to our evolving argument on whether the supernatural is separate from the material world.
Obviously, there is no evidence. It would follow, however, that if satan actually can influence humans, Marx would have been a good candidate. Of course, the same argument could be applied to Donald Trump.

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Message 21 of 381 (812854)
06-20-2017 2:39 PM
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06-20-2017 2:24 PM


No it isnt. You brought up a good topic about how todays leftist ideologies are quite possibly influenced by the dark side. Your critics would say that you dont see any problem with the conservative side.
I read some good artcles lately.
Negativity bias: why conservatives are more swayed by threats than liberals
Are Today's Charismatic Manifestations of The Gifts Real? (Chris Rosebrough is a Lutheran Pastor who exposes much of false religion within contemporary Christianity. )

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 83 of 381 (813048)
06-22-2017 11:43 AM
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06-22-2017 10:15 AM


Re: Chapter One: Communist Manifesto
I was always taught that the far left and the far right are close to each other though opposites. Kinda like this graph:
Comments?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 92 of 381 (813091)
06-23-2017 6:10 AM
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06-23-2017 12:49 AM


RE Ideological stuff? What?
LNA writes:
I'm not sure what is being said, so I threw this in to see if there is some clarity.
I will say this much---you do lots of research. Todays internet makes it easier to peruse multiple sources on a myriad of issues and beliefs.
Personaly, I never want to get in a discussion/debate concerning much of church history for several reasons.
1) Im lazy and dont want to prove a point through all the work needed.
2) I believe that Christianity was inspired by the Holy Spirit through the members gathered in the upper room--when Jesus was resurrected. It quickly became diluted ever since. There is always a remnant of people who have a love for the truth that keep the flame lit. Additionally, many of the early believers were martyred for their beliefs...and History tells us that the church carried on from there...and even became politically correct to a degree of those times once Constantine had his vision.
Originally there were five cities that the church primarily resided in...I forget them but know that Rome was but one of them. the split in 1066 where the Orthodox went one way (4 cities) and the Roman Catholics went another..(Rome)
began nearly a thousand year cycle of politics and intrigue. People couldn't read much and thus learned of the legend and story of Jesus through pictures and cathedral art..(Stations Of The Cross) and some would argue that many were converted due to the fact that they had a love for truth. The same is true today.
Many, such as yourself, seek full information on a given topic...and there is a lot of information out there. Whether or not Satan operates through Marxism...as Faith asserts...we can be sure that there are many ulterior motives for advancing a cause. Im a bit off topic as I am mixing religion and politics...but my question is about both:
1) Is there a godly system as well as a satanic system on this planet of ours? Are we as a global society really in the mid stages of a war of ideas and ideology?
2) IF SO....who are the bad guys and who are the good guys?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 96 of 381 (813100)
06-23-2017 8:04 AM
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06-23-2017 7:24 AM


Re: RE Ideological stuff? What?
Edited by Phat, : oops wrong thread

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 99 of 381 (813105)
06-23-2017 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by jar
06-23-2017 8:07 AM


Re: Marx and Satan
well, what other plot devices you gonna use? Marx messed things up for a lot of us in the world
But I suppose you would argue that again, WE are responsible

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 101 of 381 (813115)
06-23-2017 9:43 AM
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06-23-2017 9:16 AM


Re: Marx and Satan
well my union is leaning more towards Marx than they are Milton Frieman, if thats what you mean...the workers unite to get paid

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 103 of 381 (813117)
06-23-2017 10:04 AM
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06-23-2017 9:55 AM


Re: Marx and Satan
yes, especially now that the president is himself so wealthy

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 115 of 381 (813142)
06-23-2017 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by jar
06-23-2017 10:13 AM


Health Care and Retirement
Do you think workers deserve a secure retirement?
Yes, I do. With health care costs the way they are, after 14 years at one store and 13 years so far at the other, I have a pension that will barely pay me $600.00 a month--most of which will likely go all towards my health care. The corporations want to do away with the pensions.
So far the Republicans have given me little comfort that they have my interests at heart.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 187 of 381 (813318)
06-26-2017 7:55 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Chiroptera
06-20-2017 10:32 AM


Re: Leszek Kołakowski
Chioptera writes:
A very interesting work on the history of Marxism as a philosophy is Main Currents of Marxism: Its Origins, Growth and Dissolution by Leszek Kołakowski.
I started to read this book and it is informative. I can see Faiths arguments concerning satanic influence within our world today, though I see as much of the devil in the details within the conservatives as i do the liberals.
I wouldn't go so far as to label the founder of Voice Of The Martyrs international ministry as a nutjob. He no doubt had a traumatic experience and quite rightly thinks ill of communism in general.
I don't believe that every Biblical Literalist is an automatic huckster or charlatan.
Much of the argument delves into our EvC arguments concerning God, Satan, and Original Sin.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 188 of 381 (813319)
06-26-2017 7:57 AM
Reply to: Message 186 by jar
06-26-2017 7:50 AM


Re: Cultural Marxism, Critical theory, PC, Multiculturalism, Islamophobia etc
jar writes:
Give us some evidence of any Marxist based factors in today's US political landscape.
If anything, we have too little. My Union knows.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 310 of 381 (813841)
07-01-2017 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 308 by Faith
07-01-2017 9:08 AM


Re: capitalism
Capitalism is the best system for creating wealth and benefiting society in general, the more wealth created the more everybody benefits.
I'm no longer sure if this is true, Faith. My Father came out west after the war. (WW II) As a homebuilder, he worked hard and earned a decent living. Capitalism helped him.
Once Capitalism involves a global labor force, however, competition rules....and without the aberration that my Father benefited from after the war, life becomes rather tough unless you are young and strong. Competition is ruthless out there.
What is your opinion regarding the future of Social Security?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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