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Message 4706 of 5179 (777746)
02-07-2016 8:57 AM 		Reply to: Message 4703 by Hyroglyphx
02-07-2016 12:52 AM

Re: It Goes on and on
Hyro writes:
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Not really.
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Yes, really.
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Working hypotheses:
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No guns, no gun deaths.
Some guns, some gun deaths.
Lots of guns, lots of gun deaths.
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Exceptions will be possible and other factors will ameliorate or exacerbate but the common theme is the presence of a gun.
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Message 4725 of 5179 (777794)
02-08-2016 1:36 PM 		Reply to: Message 4716 by Hyroglyphx
02-08-2016 5:03 AM

Re: It Goes on and on
Hyro writes:
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I agree with your hypothesis. It's common sense. Mt objection was "not allowing" people to have access to guns doesn't mean they won't get them. The real problem is the prevalence or ubiquity of the guns themselves.
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Well yes. So the task is to do something that will reduce the number of guns available, right? A start would be to not allow people to have them. This was done in the UK and Australia with good results.
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I've stated before, even if a law passed tomorrow banning all guns in the United States, the reality is that there are still some 600 million guns in circulation. "Not allowing" them to have it won't get those guns out of their hands. Actually it would just make them better at hiding them
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You're simply advocating doing nothing. 'Not allowing' would reduce gun numbers and over time it would change culture - laws have that affect.
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But I understand the seeming political impossibility of this for the US as it stands.
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Message 4839 of 5179 (780529)
03-16-2016 4:30 AM 		Reply to: Message 4838 by vimesey
03-16-2016 3:42 AM

Re: Responsible Rat-Poison Owner Accidentally Rat-Poisons Six People In Isolated Incident
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I don't think that arguing that elements of any constitution are archaic and in need of re-assessment, is in any way an attack on the rule of law.
  —Vim
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In fact the exact opposite.
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The law is here to represent and enforce the moral values of the society it supports. If an old law no longer does that because society has grown and developed and the situations requiring the original law no longer exist, or the law has become harmful to its society, the law makers have a moral obligation to change it.
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Message 4943 of 5179 (785904)
06-13-2016 11:01 AM 		Reply to: Message 4941 by 1.61803
06-13-2016 9:41 AM

Re: Worst Mass Shooting in U.S. History
1.61803 writes:
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It was designed to kill humans in large numbers and should be banned to anyone who can not pass a extensive background check or is on any no fly list.
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What possible legitimate purpose can a machine gun have in the hands of someone not involved in the military or law enforcement?
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The idea that anybody can own these sort of weapons is utterly bizarre - you've normalised an insanity.
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Message 4962 of 5179 (787108)
07-04-2016 3:02 AM 		Reply to: Message 4960 by Coyote
07-03-2016 10:17 PM

Re: 113 and counting
cayote writes:
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There is no such thing as dangerous weapons, only dangerous people.
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Perhaps dangerous people are more dangerous with a gun than without one?
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Also you forget accident and suicide.
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Message 5009 of 5179 (813790)
06-30-2017 1:19 PM

I suspect this is just business as usual for you guys but it got a lot of media attention here of the wtf? variety. Darwin Award?
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US woman shoots boyfriend in YouTube stunt - BBC News
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.
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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 5015 of 5179 (813910)
07-02-2017 5:19 AM 		Reply to: Message 5014 by New Cat's Eye
07-02-2017 4:51 AM

Yup, get off down to your church, get on your knees and praise the Lord.
Hide from the world. Hallejuya!
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.
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"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Message 5035 of 5179 (814279)
07-05-2017 3:38 PM 		Reply to: Message 5032 by New Cat's Eye
07-05-2017 2:56 PM

NCE writes:
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Over 100 people were shot in Chicago over the weekend but only 15 of them died.
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You just normalised a holocaust
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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Message 5174 of 5179 (823766)
11-16-2017 1:06 PM

I don't think this thread should be closed, it's a useful repository for the collection of gun death incidents. The longer it gets, the more compelling the argument.
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It should speak for itself.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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