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PaulK
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Message 25 of 62 (813960)
07-03-2017 6:58 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by mike the wiz
07-03-2017 5:28 AM


Re: Francis The Despot?
Without supporting the Horus argument in any way:
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In case anyone was wondering, crucifixion was invented by the Romans in 100 BC approx.
This is both false and irrelevant. False because crucifixion was in use much earlier. And irrelevant because IF that aspect of the Jesus story was based on the Horus myth (and I am not saying it is at all) it would be based on a version extant in the 1st Century AD.

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Message 27 of 62 (813966)
07-03-2017 8:00 AM
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07-03-2017 7:46 AM


Re: Francis The Despot?
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My point in mentioning that is that his statement was that Horus was crucified but his statement basically implies that we should depict in our mind's eye, the usual and well known crucifixion, as though it was the same thing as Jesus's. So his statement seems to me to be a misrepresentation by vaguely comparing the two by use of that term,
That is not a point that can be seen in your post.
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Not necessarily. It would also be a mighty coincidence that the Romans were in charge at that time of Israel and employed the method of crucifixion.
Hardly a coincidence at all, since the story would be expected to fit reasonably with the historical setting. - and either the setting or the story could be different.
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It seems to me a stretch of credulity to make such distant comparisons
And yet you chose to post inaccurate and irrelevant "information" in an attempt to refute that specific point - not even touching on the others.
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I could be wrong but your link suggests the earliest form in about 800BC, but Horus statue was at 1400BC. Of the Persians, Carthaginians and Macedonians, the earliest date I can find is 800BC.
Which is more than sufficient as I already pointed out. The myths of the first Century AD are hardly likely to be identical with their versions 1500 years earlier.

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Message 30 of 62 (813974)
07-03-2017 8:41 AM
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07-03-2017 8:27 AM


Re: Francis The Despot?
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What versions are those?
Mike, I am not trying to support the claim, as I have explicitly said. If you want to claim that crucifixion wasn't in the myth at the time the Jesus story was put together then you have to find that out for yourself.
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You disassociate yourself from arguing Horus and yet seem to be arguing for it in some way. "I am not saying what I am saying."
It is entirely possible for both arguments to be a pile of steaming bullshit Mike. And I know that at least some Jesus Myth arguments ARE a pile of steaming bullshit. This one may be too (I am suspicious of it) But if you are going to complain about other people being untrustworthy sources you really ought to do better than them. And you obviously aren't.

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