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mike the wiz
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Message 23 of 62 (813937)
07-02-2017 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Porosity
07-02-2017 2:34 PM


Re: Francis The Despot?
A significant portion of what we just described about Horus is simply false and lacks any Egyptian historical or archeological support whatsoever. Much of what I described about Horus is simply a reflection of the effort of atheists to make Horus look as much like Jesus as possible.
Horus was worshiped principally in two Egyptian cultural centers (Bekhdet in the north and Idfu in the south). Little remains at the northern location, but there is still a large and well preserved Ptolemaic temple at Idfu; most of our information about Horus comes from this southern temple. Horus was usually represented as a falcon.
I don't recall Jesus being a falcon.
Claim: Horus was conceived by a virgin mother named Meri, and had a stepfather named Seb (Joseph)
Truth: Horus was NOT conceived of a virgin. In fact, mural and textual evidence from Egypt indicates Isis (there is no evidence that Meri was ever part of her name) hovered over the erect penis (she created) of Osiris to conceive Horus. While she may have been a virgin before the conception, she utilized Osiris’ penis to conceive.
Claim: Horus was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and was resurrected.
Truth: Horus is not reported to have died at all in the vast majority of Egyptian narratives. There is also no crucifixion story. Instead, Horus is usually described as eventually merging with Re (the Sun god) after which he dies and is reborn every day as the sun rises
Conclusion; a lot of atheist bull****, you try and make look like the gospel; from;
http://coldcasechristianity.com/...telling-of-the-horus-myth
That's why I never accept ANYTHING an evolutionist atheist ever states by assertion without looking into it, because you can't trust them because of the mendacious way a lot of them present things.

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Message 24 of 62 (813954)
07-03-2017 5:28 AM
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07-02-2017 2:34 PM


Re: Francis The Despot?
Porosity writes:
Horus was crucified and raised from the dead after 3 days.
In case anyone was wondering, crucifixion was invented by the Romans in 100 BC approx. Whereas I found a wiki picture of Horus, a statue of an eagle, dated to 1400 BC.

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Message 26 of 62 (813963)
07-03-2017 7:46 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by PaulK
07-03-2017 6:58 AM


Re: Francis The Despot?
PaulK writes:
This is both false and irrelevant. False because crucifixion was in use much earlier. And irrelevant because IF that aspect of the Jesus story was based on the Horus myth (and I am not saying it is at all) it would be based on a version extant in the 1st Century AD.
My point in mentioning that is that his statement was that Horus was crucified but his statement basically implies that we should depict in our mind's eye, the usual and well known crucifixion, as though it was the same thing as Jesus's. So his statement seems to me to be a misrepresentation by vaguely comparing the two by use of that term,
PaulK writes:
IF that aspect of the Jesus story was based on the Horus myth (and I am not saying it is at all) it would be based on a version extant in the 1st Century AD.
Not necessarily. It would also be a mighty coincidence that the Romans were in charge at that time of Israel and employed the method of crucifixion. That the Romans used this method at that time, and were dominant would be a fortunate coincidence indeed.
It seems to me a stretch of credulity to make such distant comparisons.
I could be wrong but your link suggests the earliest form in about 800BC, but Horus statue was at 1400BC. Of the Persians, Carthaginians and Macedonians, the earliest date I can find is 800BC.
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Message 28 of 62 (813970)
07-03-2017 8:27 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by PaulK
07-03-2017 8:00 AM


Re: Francis The Despot?
PaulK writes:
Which is more than sufficient as I already pointed out. The myths of the first Century AD are hardly likely to be identical with their versions 1500 years earlier.
What versions are those?
To be honest I will confess I really will; I haven't read the stones with the hyoglyphs on so I for one can't know this, "crucifixion" as a comparison.
You disassociate yourself from arguing Horus and yet seem to be arguing for it in some way. "I am not saying what I am saying."
Do we know this "crucifixion", it is described by the Egyptians, what it was, and how it happened? My original link says there was none. Are you suggesting I should believer there was some type of "crucifixion"? Your link says the earliest people to employ some type of crucifixion was about 800BC but the Horus statue is 1400BC.
Is there any evidence crucifixion had been invented before 800BC? That's not to say it wasn't, if there isn't any evidence but if there is no evidence it did it isn't a strong argument that Horus was crucified. Surely the myth at least describes what happened?
So then I am more than happy to hear what the myth says happened if the one claiming there was a crucifixion will provide the story for us to read. Fair enough if you yourself don't want to provide that story if you aren't claiming a link between the gospel and Horus.
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mike the wiz
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Message 29 of 62 (813972)
07-03-2017 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by PaulK
07-03-2017 8:00 AM


Re: Francis The Despot?
PaulK writes:
Hardly a coincidence at all, since the story would be expected to fit reasonably with the historical setting. - and either the setting or the story could be different.
A fair point on that point, then. Maybe you're correct on this particular point.
mikey can be refuted too, when pitted against an intelligent debater.
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