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Who & what are the demons ?

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Message 122 of 349 (671032)
08-21-2012 5:44 PM 		Reply to: Message 121 by Phat
08-21-2012 5:31 PM

Re: A god unto ourselves
Many that believe in God also don't believe in demons.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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08-22-2012 5:19 PM 		Reply to: Message 137 by Phat
08-22-2012 4:26 PM

Re: Maturity and Rationality in a Believer
HUH?
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How about trickery or hallucination or just plain lying?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Message 151 of 349 (671585)
08-27-2012 5:31 PM 		Reply to: Message 148 by Phat
08-27-2012 3:41 PM

Re: Wrongness
When will you people understand that absence of evidence never proves evidence of absence.
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And you know that is simply another totally false platitude you use to avoid thinking.
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When a shooter claims to have hit the target the absence of holes is evidence that he is wrong.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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07-03-2014 4:01 PM 		Reply to: Message 248 by Phat
07-03-2014 3:21 PM

Re: Pope Francis and the demons
LOL
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The guy shows all the classic signs of bad burritos.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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01-05-2015 11:19 AM 		Reply to: Message 264 by Phat
01-05-2015 10:54 AM

Re: Pope Francis and the demons
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One sure way to wage effective spiritual war is to be intentional and patient.
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What is a spiritual war?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Message 272 of 349 (746380)
01-06-2015 9:08 AM 		Reply to: Message 270 by Phat
01-06-2015 2:37 AM

Re: Pope Francis and the demons
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When you see an attractive girl,for example...and you are a teenager full of hormones...the first natural inclination is to try and have her.
This is the Yetzer Hara.
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The second inclination is to bless her and keep your hands off of her since she is so beautiful and rare. This is the Yetzer Tov.
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Ah, it appears that whoever taught you about Yetzer Hara and Yetzer Hatov simply misrepresented them or you simply misunderstood what was taught.
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They are totally unrelated to any demons or demonic forces or outside forces. Nor are your examples related. It is only the outcome that determines whether something is Yetzer Hara and Yetzer Hatov. In the first example if the boy desires the girl and the girls desires the boy and they become lovers then it is Yetzer Hatov,
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They gave each other a pledge.
(Unheard of, absurd.)
You gave each other a pledge?
(Unthinkable.)
Where do you think you are?
In Moscow? In Paris? Where do think they are? America?
And what do you think you're doing?
You stitcher, you nothing! Who do think you are? King Solomon?
This isn't the way it's done, not here, not now.
Some things I will not, I cannot, allow.
Tradition!
Marriages must be arranged by the papa.
This should never changed!
One little time you pull out a prop, and where does it stop?
Where does it stop?
Where does it stop?
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Now if the boy desires the girl but the girl thinks the boy is a bupkes and yet he forces himself on her then it is Yetzer Hara unless of course the girl is a shlimizel in which case it is just normal.
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It is not God or Demons that are involved in Yetzer Hara or Yetzer Hatov, no warfare, no fight and actually no firm list of what is Yetzer Hara or Yetzer Hatov. Any differences between them often are subtle and shifting and totally internal to the individuals and the situation and dependent on outcomes.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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07-03-2017 4:47 PM 		Reply to: Message 275 by Phat
07-03-2017 4:41 PM

Re: Pope Francis and the demons
Phat writes:
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I would argue that you refuse to allow any belief to color your conclusions---which may be a wise approach yet in many cases...including yours...leads to atheism.
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And where is the problem with that?
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Phat writes:
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Getting back to demons, however...I have seen enough subjective experiences to tentatively conclude they are real.
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Yawn.
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Why are demons only able to effect folk that believe in demons?
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Why has there never been a case of a demon ever effecting an atheist or anyone who does not believe in demons?
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jar
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07-04-2017 2:03 PM 		Reply to: Message 282 by Faith
07-04-2017 12:58 PM

Re: Pope Francis and the demons
Too funny. It seems that they also stop telling the truth.
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jar
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07-04-2017 2:41 PM 		Reply to: Message 288 by Phat
07-04-2017 2:21 PM

Re: Truth or Consequences
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Who are "they"? And why do you make this assertion? Are you claiming that Fundamentalists lie more often than the general population?
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No idea of how they compare to some general population but yes, I believe that Fundamentalist Christianity is based on lying and wilful delusion.
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If so, is your reasoning that they know and yet deny reality?
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Know? No. I doubt they even understand what the word "know" means.
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Phat writes:
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You yourself have said that some of your own beliefs are irrational.
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Absolutely. But I try hard to not confuse "know" and "believe".
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