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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Which doesn't mean that you cannot.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
New Cat's Eye writes:
Sure it dt does. Being shot is not a successful defence. If you get shot, it's just dumb luck if you survive.
Which doesn't mean that you cannot.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Sure it dt does. Being shot is not a successful defence. If you get shot, it's just dumb luck if you survive. You have a point, but you are also over-simplifying. Not every situation is a one-on-one where the first shot ends the altercation. In fact, that's not what happens most of the time even with modern weapons. Once somebody starts shooting, particularly at a policeman, they may miss, or have a second or third policeman who can return fire. So, no a gun is not as effective at defense as would be an impenetrable force field or a kevlar vest, but a gun can be a deterrent, and it can be used to lay down cover to pin down a shooter else even if you never hit the shooter. Guns do have some defensive value. Trying to make absolute statements to the contrary just makes you an extremist. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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Astrophile Member (Idle past 155 days) Posts: 92 From: United Kingdom Joined: |
We just had a republican congressman get shot by a Bernie supporter whose life was saved ... by the defensive use of guns Whose life was saved? The republican congressman's or the Bernie supporter's?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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Trying to make absolute statements to the contrary just makes you an extremist. Well, he is a Canadian
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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The congressman.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
If you get shot, it's just dumb luck if you survive. Over 100 people were shot in Chicago over the weekend but only 15 of them died.Chicago police express frustration after more than 100 shot in violent Fourth of July weekend — Chicago Tribune What are you basing your odds on?
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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New Cat's Eye writes:
I didn't say anything about odds. What are you basing your odds on? I'm saying that if you do get shot, you're lucky to survive. And "Over 100 people were shot in Chicago over the weekend"? HOLY GOD DAMN MOTHER_FUCKING JESUS CHRIST!!!
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
The gun nuts are over-simplifying when they think they can defend themselves with guns. I'm just simplifying the contrary position.
... you are also over-simplifying.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
NCE writes: Over 100 people were shot in Chicago over the weekend but only 15 of them died. You just normalised a holocaustJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
"I'm not talking about odds, I'm talking about luck"
Still, a >85% chance isn't all that lucky.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
New Cat's Eye writes:
Lucky the bullet wasn't an inch to the left, lucky the ambulance got there quickly, etc. When 100 people are shot the number of fatalities can vary a lot. Still, a >85% chance isn't all that lucky. Your best odds for survival is if you're not shot at all. The fewer nuts on the street "defending" themselves, the better your chances are.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
"I was showing the boys the gun and told them not to ever play with it because it can kill someone. Then she walked in the room and I pointed it at her and pulled the trigger, thinking it was empty."
Dad says he fatally shot daughter while teaching gun safety
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Las Vegas Shooting Is Deadliest in Modern U.S. History
This must be fake news.....What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Tanypteryx writes: This must be fake news..... Sadly, it is very real. The gunman appeared to have committed suicide before police were able to apprehend him. His name was Stephen Paddock. It doesn't appear to be a case of Islamic terrorism, although that doesn't really make things any better. NY Times has an article that provides a few more facts:Multiple Weapons Found in Las Vegas Gunman’s Hotel Room - The New York Times
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